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[halexzo]

From merlins new thread about BG:

enufalready
Unbelievable. When are you gonna let this drop? If you don't like it "over there", then don't go there. What they post in their forum is their business....and you call the posters there immature?

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And what does merlin have to say?

merlin
enufalready,I had let it drop but they started back up in the baggabucks by attacking two members opinions.

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Was your name mentioned? And where was the attack? All that was shown was the lie that was told, is that circus not supposed to be all about thruth? (which we know that is not so)What is your problem with exposing lies? Where are your ethics? Down the drain like that whole circus is going

you used someone else just to start bashing us again and talk about BG, simple, so stop with your lame excuse.

what was posted was NOT an opinion, it was defamation and slander of another PO, again, here is the post, read it carefully, ok?

Seraph
Re: Cashcrate shouldn't even be on the watch list

They've had issues in the past with booting people off for odd reasons...no offense. On top of that, the owner has been in...legal...troubles. I forget all the charges, but it was like conspiracy for grand theft, and intimidating/harassing a court witness

That is NOT a opinion, that is downright defamation and slander .

CashCrate Joe
How unfortunate for me that someone who committed a crime in Nevada happens to have my name! Please, go Google Joe Coleman and see how many results you'll find. I can tell you roughly what you'll see: one famous (relatively crazy) painter, TWO Major League Baseball pitchers, and an actor.
And those are just the famous ones. Go search for Joe Coleman and Nevada and you'll find there are a bunch of us in the state. For what it's worth, this record dates back to 2001, when I wasn't even living in Nevada. At that point I was still happily studying Philosophy at the University of Idaho, only to move to Nevada a few years later. If anyone really wanted to verify this, they could do so relatively easily.
I'm usually VERY understanding of people's opinions about CashCrate and our business, but this is personal and absolutely untrue. Please, from now on, do a little more research before you defame someone's name in public.

Sad when people can post such horrible accusation as is done at that sand pit that a PO has to sign up just to defend him/herself .

That is what I exposed to make others see how that circus works , so do NOT talk to me about attacking anyone, that is your domain and your game you playing there, so just chill out and think before you post.

merlin
If you don't like that I defended them there,so I started this thread,it's because I got tired of their mentioning I dragged them and BG to this forum by mentioning BG and for the reasons stated.

You started to talk about BG BEFORE this thread so don't try to deceive others again, YOU STARTED to bring us in a discussion again even tho it was in a thread that had nothing to do with BG, but that is the norm for you.

So YES, you DID dragged us in to replying to you again, stand up like a Man and tell the truth for once.

merlin
I have made my statement,if you don't like it don't read it,there is a block available in control panel so you don't have to read my threads.

Put your money where your mouth is merlin and do the same by not coming over here or read those so called 'MESSAGES' you claim to get, you have a delete button, use it.

merlin
I expressed my opinion,you have expressed yours,I don't like your opinion and you don't like mine so all I will say is go back to their forum tell them to stop with their "antics" and I will do my best to stop writing about them. That's all I am going to say on it to you as I am using the block on you as I don't like your opinions and don't care to see them or read them on here. As always....JMO....Merlin....

What a childish rant, you started it, you can't take the heat, well get the heck out the kitchen or in your case, keep your nose out of this forum.

You will never stop with your grade school antics or your idiotic rants, you are strictly at that circus to bash anyone who has a different opinion then you do as you proved just now ,AGAIN.

How immature can you get, you don't like his/her opinion so you use the block because you can't stand a different point of view , congrats merlin, you now made it in to kindergarten where you can play your little neener neener games, they may let you, shissssss

Cheer up, only 196 posts to go


BEWARE of GPTBoycott ,they have NO CREDIBILITY, NO AUTHORITY & most importantly, NO LICENSE to do what they doing and BEWARE of them if you value your PRIVACY!!!!!

This post has been edited by halexzo: Oct 9 2008, 05:51 PM

[Donna]

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Will this EVER stop at both places

The subject of BGPayMail should have stopped a long time ago over there.

But, the only time the discussion about GPTBoycott will stop here is IF GPTBoycott STOPS what they are doing: lying, defaming, twisting and belittling people. And putting sites on a "watch list" without revealing the complaints and on a boycott list unjustly, as complaints cannot be verified the way they are running those rules (kangaroo court style).

And, the sad thing IS, it CAN be stopped by Rob and the moderators over there!

So, why DON'T Rob or the moderators step in on people like seraph, who plainly calls a site owner a crimminal?

I'll TELL you why I think they don't. Greed for money and (in)fame for the "wanna-be" experts.

Pietro, to be a lawyer or a judge, one must completely comprehend the English language and know the difference between an opinion and false statement. And, yet, you did not edit out seraph's false statement about the owner of cashcrate being a crimminal?

If I went around telling the public Pietro is a crimminal would that not be defamation of his character? Of course it would!

And, yet, here we have an ex-judge (supposedly), who is a prestigious moderator, who won't step in and help keep the site (GPTB) in good public standing? (ROTFLAMO, yeah, right - hahahahahahahaha)

It's so obvious what's going on over there that it can't hide the TRUE purpose of GPTB.

And I think we ALL KNOW what that is, huh?

GREED for profits and fame, right?


They will do or say anything - even defamatory - for the sake of a buck and to have people read their posts.

Pathetic, isn't it?

This post has been edited by Donna: Oct 10 2008, 02:08 AM

[halexzo]

Another PO fighting back at that circus answering to a post from wagdoll and Seraph:

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webstars2k
Re: BaggaBucks
Resolve what?
People who do not see that a service is actually being sold two ways?
Since they can not see it, the only resolution would for me to show up at their doorstep, turn their head and slowly read the wordage out while my finger underlines the sentences, and then click the link to where it says "BUY ADVERTISING" and then, showing the page where it says "Go pro! get 100 ptc ads"

I mean, come on, this borders on bizarre to me.

Sustainable, you people arent in real business are you.
I am well over in profit on that site and so are they and about to post to those who have click profit, AND ADVERTISER sales commissions (oops! we have a service again!) that I am paying earlier as I have 6 websites selling very hard, which means it is in the accounts waiting for no reason, and they may need an early payment.

You know... there have been times when I walk around and ask people "How can a person reason with such people when there is no reason in the head in the first place?"
The people who go into the 'not very reasonable but do not know they fall there' category are those who do NOT base their statements or conclusions on FACTS but rather rumour, mis-information, hysteria or boredom or whatever motive.
And trying to reason with the facts with them, is like trying to reason with a full blown drug addict who doesnt know that they are an addict. They think they are not an addict because they have convinced themselves otherwise.
Yeah, you all who post this *shaking head* junk about people, other sites, etc fall in that category. I thought it was a real forum that had FACTS... like proof of owners not paying, or pictures of cheating zero iframes.
I see I was wrong and for me to waste my time trying to convince people who do not reason very well is a big waste of my time.And you know what, most who know me - some for many years on here, say my attitude is down to earth but since you do not reason well, in your head it is called "unprofessional" or whichever word you choose.

I have to wonder, are you someone who also would never fight for what is unjust also?

Intentionally provoking in forums deserves no resolution or fairness from me because the entire thing is unfair in the first place.
I point out how many years I have online, paying history, interviewed, copied even, substantional amount of customers, I have years of history with the same customers and that MEANS NOTHING when said. It is unreasonable. But yet, I am suppose to find a resolution?

A resolution to what? Point them out to somehow find some common sense?

I am not trying to be professional and I come from the "other side of the tracks" and do not pretend to be from anywhere else.
Think about that one.
What matters to me is defending myself, my members, slinging what you sling at me - you totally deserve it - and I will go far past "unprofessional" when it comes to defending myself, my sites, my members or anything else connected with me. I am not interested in putting on some BS false niceness against nonsense like this.

And the "slammed" comment, please, you dont have that much power.

I am just aggravated by seeing rob allowing this on his forum -still- and very disappointed by seeing more people who just do not base anything by fact.
BTW, a ponzi in -simple- terms is this....

A person says "give me 10 grand and I will give you 10 grand back PLUS 5 grand in profit soon"

"How can you give me 10 grand and 5 grand too?"

"Well, we have a bunch of investments, advertising, other businesses etc..."

Then he goes to another person and says "Give me 20 grand and I can give you your 20 grand back plus 10 grand in profit"

The he says the same thing again to the new person, turns around and gives 15 grand back to the first person. It goes on and on and reinvesting happens and word of mouth spreads and more and more get on this list. But really he is borrowing from peter to pay paul because there are no other side businesses, advertising or investments to cover the profit made or promised. The money really comes from someone else over nothing - it is just cash being spread around.

Now. Tell me where you see anything on my site saying anything about investment, or extra profit or anything like this.

PLUS, I have several ways of making profit from that site alone, fool!

PLUS, this is just like some affiliate program selling pro memberships for 8 bucks, who turns around and pays that affiliate 5 bucks for their referral. The ONLY difference is that instead of their commission passing through my hands, and the affiliate waiting forever to get their commission, I have the buyer paying the commission IMMEDIATELY to the affiliate, it bypasses me which makes my member happy and me happy because I do not have to spend the time sending it out.

Grow up and get some sense or get out of this arena. And THAT is coming from someone who has a very long success history in this arena.
Unless you understand these aspects of business, and especially who you speak of, or what the program evens pays, or what it is, and worse, were NOT members when you first started posting this - you have zero right to spread your defamation - and this is defamation, making rob, his registar and his host, yourselves, at risk for legal letters to start. And I can well afford to put 2 grand down for a retainer (guess how I know how much it would cost...). As this can be argued as defamation, not "free speech" because the "opinions" here are NOT based on what you looked at by being a member, so there is no real experience to make you come to a conclusion of "it is what I believed" but it was to damage and cost me customers on a targeted site like a PTC forum.

Gees have some intergrity and some honor will ya? I would never go post crap like this about any website unless I have proof of what I say, or I would at LEAST know what it sells, what it pays, that they do have terms, etc.
gees..

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Defamation again, that circus just does not get it, as I said before, the so called opinions of some of those players at that sand pit are more like defamation and slander, definetly NOT FACTS!!

Esperanza
It is a program owners job to make sure that the information provided on public program pages is clear. If the available information raises questions then that information should be revised. It's not professional to blame people for asking questions which in fact implicates that they are stupid.
Even more, it is totally disrespectful to bail out of a discussion because

webstars2k
"How can a person reason with such people when there is no reason in the head in the first place?"

webstars2k
PLUS, I have several ways of making profit from that site alone, fool!

I have no doubt at all who the real fool here is...

The same Esperanza who gave her farewell speech 21st July 2008 to that circus and like merlin ,changed her mind again. Could it be because she now has that famous 'Top Contributor' title?

Esperanza
Top Contributor
Re: My Farewell Speech ...
I'm joining you. Enough is enough.

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BEWARE of GPTBoycott ,they have NO CREDIBILITY, NO AUTHORITY & most importantly, NO LICENSE to do what they doing and BEWARE of them if you value your PRIVACY!!!!!

[yokoda]

Sigh, why do some site owners feel the need to react so unproffesionally? I feel as a site owner you should act proffesional and do your best to resolve the situation at hand. I think my first posts here I lost my patience but then realized its best if things are handled maturely. Yes, its no thrill to be slammed in a forum but understanding peoples frustrations is a plus. Also not reacting in a negative fashion because someone disagrees with you is also a good thing Everybody play nice

she has to many problems herself to paying her members. speaking about acting unproffesional hmm.Spending her time belittering others could better been used to solve her own financial problems I would think. This looks like BS false niceness towards Rob and corte to me
Fear is a very bad advisor

ahhhh wagdoll and esperanza both showed up in the Baggy issue ( see a patern here )

I post here the responce of baggy owner as it is an interesting one
Her arguments are 100%right : I painted them red

Resolve what?
People who do not see that a service is actually being sold two ways?
Since they can not see it, the only resolution would for me to show up at their doorstep, turn their head and slowly read the wordage out while my finger underlines the sentences, and then click the link to where it says "BUY ADVERTISING" and then, showing the page where it says "Go pro! get 100 ptc ads"

I mean, come on, this borders on bizarre to me.

Sustainable, you people arent in real business are you.
I am well over in profit on that site and so are they and about to post to those who have click profit, AND ADVERTISER sales commissions (oops! we have a service again!) that I am paying earlier as I have 6 websites selling very hard, which means it is in the accounts waiting for no reason, and they may need an early payment.

You know... there have been times when I walk around and ask people "How can a person reason with such people when there is no reason in the head in the first place?"
The people who go into the 'not very reasonable but do not know they fall there' category are those who do NOT base their statements or conclusions on FACTS but rather rumour, mis-information, hysteria or boredom or whatever motive.
And trying to reason with the facts with them, is like trying to reason with a full blown drug addict who doesnt know that they are an addict. They think they are not an addict because they have convinced themselves otherwise.
Yeah, you all who post this *shaking head* junk about people, other sites, etc fall in that category. I thought it was a real forum that had FACTS... like proof of owners not paying, or pictures of cheating zero iframes.

I see I was wrong and for me to waste my time trying to convince people who do not reason very well is a big waste of my time.
And you know what, most who know me - some for many years on here, say my attitude is down to earth but since you do not reason well, in your head it is called "unprofessional" or whichever word you choose.

I have to wonder, are you someone who also would never fight for what is unjust also?

Intentionally provoking in forums deserves no resolution or fairness from me because the entire thing is unfair in the first place.

I point out how many years I have online, paying history, interviewed, copied even, substantional amount of customers, I have years of history with the same customers and that MEANS NOTHING when said. It is unreasonable. But yet, I am suppose to find a resolution?

A resolution to what? Point them out to somehow find some common sense?

I am not trying to be professional and I come from the "other side of the tracks" and do not pretend to be from anywhere else.
Think about that one.
What matters to me is defending myself, my members, slinging what you sling at me - you totally deserve it - and I will go far past "unprofessional" when it comes to defending myself, my sites, my members or anything else connected with me. I am not interested in putting on some BS false niceness against nonsense like this.

And the "slammed" comment, please, you dont have that much power.

I am just aggravated by seeing rob allowing this on his forum -still- and very disappointed by seeing more people who just do not base anything by fact.

BTW, a ponzi in -simple- terms is this....

A person says "give me 10 grand and I will give you 10 grand back PLUS 5 grand in profit soon"

"How can you give me 10 grand and 5 grand too?"

"Well, we have a bunch of investments, advertising, other businesses etc..."

Then he goes to another person and says "Give me 20 grand and I can give you your 20 grand back plus 10 grand in profit"

The he says the same thing again to the new person, turns around and gives 15 grand back to the first person. It goes on and on and reinvesting happens and word of mouth spreads and more and more get on this list. But really he is borrowing from peter to pay paul because there are no other side businesses, advertising or investments to cover the profit made or promised. The money really comes from someone else over nothing - it is just cash being spread around.

Now. Tell me where you see anything on my site saying anything about investment, or extra profit or anything like this.

PLUS, I have several ways of making profit from that site alone, fool!

PLUS, this is just like some affiliate program selling pro memberships for 8 bucks, who turns around and pays that affiliate 5 bucks for their referral. The ONLY difference is that instead of their commission passing through my hands, and the affiliate waiting forever to get their commission, I have the buyer paying the commission IMMEDIATELY to the affiliate, it bypasses me which makes my member happy and me happy because I do not have to spend the time sending it out.

Grow up and get some sense or get out of this arena. And THAT is coming from someone who has a very long success history in this arena.

Unless you understand these aspects of business, and especially who you speak of, or what the program evens pays, or what it is, and worse, were NOT members when you first started posting this - you have zero right to spread your defamation - and this is defamation, making rob, his registar and his host, yourselves, at risk for legal letters to start. And I can well afford to put 2 grand down for a retainer (guess how I know how much it would cost...). As this can be argued as defamation, not "free speech" because the "opinions" here are NOT based on what you looked at by being a member, so there is no real experience to make you come to a conclusion of "it is what I believed" but it was to damage and cost me customers on a targeted site like a PTC forum.

Gees have some intergrity and some honor will ya? I would never go post crap like this about any website unless I have proof of what I say, or I would at LEAST know what it sells, what it pays, that they do have terms, etc.
gees..

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Yes he/she is absolutly right and she said all what we are saying for long time now:
especialy
Rob is a LIAR and a FRAUD and he aloud this moderators and members NOT base their statements or conclusions on FACTS but rather rumour, mis-information, hysteria or boredom or whatever motive
Rob also aloud them to post private and personal information .
NON members are using the term "free speech " to camouflage pure defamation of any site they don't like for what ever reason. They also in the past signed up under false pretentions just to sneak and to find something worth to report to PP or the IRS
Rob and Co has no intergrity nor honor we have a treat full of proof here

[halexzo]

Sigh, why do some site owners feel the need to react so unproffesionally? I feel as a site owner you should act proffesional and do your best to resolve the situation at hand. I think my first posts here I lost my patience but then realized its best if things are handled maturely. Yes, its no thrill to be slammed in a forum but understanding peoples frustrations is a plus. Also not reacting in a negative fashion because someone disagrees with you is also a good thing Everybody play nice

yokoda
she has to many problems herself to paying her members. speaking about acting unproffesional hmm.Spending her time belittering others could better been used to solve her own financial problems I would think. This looks like BS false niceness towards Rob and corte to me
Fear is a very bad advisor

Oh no yokoda, not just behind payments, Pirate riches is closing down, yet she is trying to talk about other PO's

WickedSol
Pirates Riches ClosingHello..... I wanted to pass this on....and I am in NO way affiliated with Pirates Riches, just (was) a member there....

By far, this is definitely going to be one of the most saddening emails that I have had to write. Many of you that have been with the site for the past couple of months have been aware of the problems that I have had making sure that payments were sent out on time, due to a number of different reasons. First and foremost was the $2,000 in commissions that were stole from us by an affiliate who refused to pay. This has had a pretty long term effect that the site has struggled with for a while. Combine that with the fact the several other affiliates have also repeatedly been late in sending owed commissions and it has caused a bit of a cascading effect..

As I am sure you can imagine, this is not a very healthy thing for a relatively new site. Regardless of the fact that these are things out of my control and are not my acting in an unethical way at all, people see the posts of slow payments and they tend to shy away and go to another site. It kind of cause a catch 22 situation, slow payments were slowing down member participation and slower member participation is exacerbating the slow payment problem.

Then last night I received even more bad news. Due to recent problems in the economy, my husband has lost his job. It came as a pretty big shock to us, but apparently they had to lay off quite a few people. This caused me to have to reexamine where I am at right now and what I will need to do in order to keep my family going.

I have therefore decided that I am going to shut down the site, effectively immediately. I was hoping to be able to keep pressing forward with the late payment problems since I knew for a fact that with time they would have straightened out. The problem is, my husband's job was something that I needed in order to keep functioning through this time of personal crisis. Since the site was operating in the red, I depended on his income to pay our normal expenses. Now that that is no longer available, I will have to return to work at a conventional job in order to get us through.

Regardless of having to close the site here is one promise I make to you. NO ONE WILL BE STIFFED FOR WHAT THEY ARE OWED! I plan on making good on every single penny that my members have earned and will not rest until that is finished. Obviously it might take me a little time, finances are going to be a little tight until my husband can find work. But that in no way means I am going to try and pass my difficulties on to you and make you pay for it. I have always conducted myself in an ethical fashion and that will NOT change.

I want to thank everyone that has been with me throughout my time as an admin, I really enjoyed working with all of you. I will be sure to keep everyone informed on the payback schedule, all I ask is for your patience. Thank you everyone and God bless.

Kind Regards,
pirate's riches

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Talking about being a 3 ring circus, it is getting more and more bizzare over there

[yokoda]

yes hale she is closing down I did not missed that message.

It was more a pointer too this

I have therefore decided that I am going to shut down the site, effectively immediately. I was hoping to be able to keep pressing forward with the late payment problems since I knew for a fact that with time they would have straightened out. The problem is, my husband's job was something that I needed in order to keep functioning through this time of personal crisis. Since the site was operating in the red, I depended on his income to pay our normal expenses. Now that that is no longer available, I will have to return to work at a conventional job in order to get us through.

Regardless of having to close the site here is one promise I make to you. NO ONE WILL BE STIFFED FOR WHAT THEY ARE OWED! I plan on making good on every single penny that my members have earned and will not rest until that is finished. Obviously it might take me a little time, finances are going to be a little tight until my husband can find work. But that in no way means I am going to try and pass my difficulties on to you and make you pay for it. I have always conducted myself in an ethical fashion and that will NOT change.

We will see about this and if someone from the Ciscus is going after her:
BgpayMail was on the watchlist for much more less then piratesriches
cuz we did not took their crap and stand up for Bill the site and the members we were put on the boygot list
But we are still here
Bill and hale are making lots of payments . the members are posting happy comments and the questions are solved fast and in a good way
We are here to stay for long time 5 years+ and still one of the best PTR programs
so what does that say about the value of a watch and boygot list ?? Please judge for yourself

[Donna]

Oh geeze, here we go again


Quoting merlin:

It's not that difficult of a program to comprehend webstars2k we are not all as foolish and stupid as u think. It's I send $5.00 to the person who I saw the ad to for his advertisement of baggabucks and send you $3.00 for the webpage like the one I sign up under. I spend a lot of money for advertisement and hope that several hundred people join under my page and send me $5.00 and you $3.00. In the meanwhile your running a PTC that if I am a premium member I can purchase an ad and others will click on it. Like I said the usual industry average of 1/4 cent per click so the bottom line is if I am lucky till the program reaches saturation I might make money if my advertising is successful and the market isn't saturated with baggabucks ads and to me the only person who is making alot of money here is you for the page to advertise as it's probably like other sites with pages,shopping malls,templates etc.,using some form of automated software where when I pay the site/page is created. I am not against free enterprise so don't get me wrong on that issue. As always....JMO....Merlin....

Uh, duh, isn't advertising just that? I mean, you make a purchase to "advertise" your product and "hope" it's appealing enough to the consumer to buy, right? If it works, fine. If not, just go back to the drawing board.

And, trust me, it's far more expensive to purchase an ad in a newspaper or put an ad on TV.

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr, lol, try purchasing a PPC ad with Google! A $100 can be gobbled up by Google within an hour after link is placed!

I don't think merlin reads very well or comprehends what he reads, lol.

If you purchase the page and the process to set it up to fit YOUR needs, the advertising on Baggabucks is free. Free members who wish only to utilize the paid to section (which mingles with the non-paid ad section) get paid to read. They get so much to read and just like other programs, they get paid a certain amount for the referrals that read the same ad.

I don't know, but, if I had a site and I wanted to promote it I would surely try Baggabucks! Not only does that total of $8 cover the "free" ad on Beggabucks, they also get their ads placed in eZines, safe lists, etc., etc. That, to me is a lot of bang for the bucks!

Why? Because there ARE people who DO read and try to find marketing methods to use for advertising their own sites - and or affiliations with sites.

[halexzo]

Donna
Uh, duh, isn't advertising just that? I mean, you make a purchase to "advertise" your product and "hope" it's appealing enough to the consumer to buy, right? If it works, fine. If not, just go back to the drawing board.

I don't think merlin reads very well or comprehends what he reads, lol.

Not reading TERMS and such and what is on any site is the problem of the majority of any complaint at that circus,or like you said, 'they' (general') can't read at all or comprehend it.

Any disgruntled member or NON member ,as in merlins case,is allowed to spew some c.... out at that sand pit, no matter if it is correct or not, the bashing and alligations will continue to go on and on and on....

And of course that is what advertising is about, one hopes it is appealing to others, enough so that they may purchase or join under the advertiser if that was the aim.

merlin
It's not that difficult of a program to comprehend webstars2k we are not all as foolish and stupid as u think. It's I send $5.00 to the person who I saw the ad to for his advertisement of baggabucks and send you $3.00 for the webpage like the one I sign up under. I spend a lot of money for advertisement and hope that several hundred people join under my page and send me $5.00 and you $3.00. In the meanwhile your running a PTC that if I am a premium member I can purchase an ad and others will click on it. Like I said the usual industry average of 1/4 cent per click so the bottom line is if I am lucky till the program reaches saturation I might make money if my advertising is successful and the market isn't saturated with baggabucks ads and to me the only person who is making alot of money here is you for the page to advertise as it's probably like other sites with pages,shopping malls,templates etc.,using some form of automated software where when I pay the site/page is created. I am not against free enterprise so don't get me wrong on that issue. As always....JMO....Merlin

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so typical merlin, talks a lot but makes absolutely no sense.


and here the reply from the PO of 'bagga bucks':

webstars2k
Apparently it is difficult to comprehend for the bashers here - because wrong, wrong and some more wrong as from the start.
Me making alot of money? no, bagga makes me the least profit. FUNNY. Its like some side hobby site for me, including another that is about to open. And no, sigh, its not a ptc site.

Just as I said before - you dont know what you speak of and thats typcial.
And its MY fault too that all the info is there but yet ITS MY FAULT because I didnt "provide clear information". Even though it is left, right, top and bottom plus further in the members area. Its somehow MY fault?

Are you the same people who sued Mcdonalds for providing hot coffee even though you KNOW its hot coffee and it says it is hot coffee?

Take responsibilty or expect to be preyed upon by scammers (they love to tell you what you hear) and have alot of strife.

Also about the "attitude" remark. That is also strange, very strange thought - am I suppose to sit back and be passive? Oh, I know, how about kiss your -ss and ignore the smears? Should I not fight for anything?

Listen here, I am not desperate.
I am not going to basically pet you on the head, somehow make you see what I REALLY created, just so you just turn around and do it some more to me and other site members and owners because I petted you. I know some have but its a new day here. Bad behaviour deserves a slap on the hand, not a pat on the head.

It is 1 or MORE cent(s) per click, and the people who a member refers - if that referral clicks they get 1/4 a cent on top of it.

I do not want you there. Who are you to even do this anyway?

And that is purely unreasonable... any program you decide to go in - you get advertising for it or expect failure. or is it the "do everything for me" behaviour thing again? I would like to throw you into remote India or Africa and see how that "do everything for me" or "give me everything for free" thinking gets you.

and, wrong again. Anyone can buy advertising, even a NON MEMBER. A free member or a pro member.

An advertiser link it included if a person upgrades just like some ISP will upgrade your speed if you "upgrade", you get more. Thats the real world. And actually, when I think about it, a pro upgrade only nets me 1.58 a piece on a 400 dollar a month server bill - huh. And I have 3 packed servers.
ooooooooooooooo making me rich!!

As for the PO's attitude... this was me holding back. And I wont be nice to the unjust. Period.

Now, stop smearing and spreading your crap leave everyone alone and get a new hobby. Those who were interested in baggabucks this forum, you did them a huge disservice.

But I guess you could care less as this must be so much fun to you.. Meanwhile, forget this, I am heading over to a forum called... hmmm... bgpaymail is it?

They can consider me their best friend.

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webstars2k
Are you the same people who sued Mcdonalds for providing hot coffee even though you KNOW its hot coffee and it says it is hot coffee?

I love that one, she hit the nail right on the head

So glad to see another PO stand up to their trash and does not let them run over her

This post has been edited by halexzo: Oct 11 2008, 12:07 AM

[maryanne]

I just wanted to say thank you!

I thought it was just me until I saw a post within baggabucks discussion at gpt about this forum and then trotted over here to see.

You see, I do not look at stuff like that except for pictures who did not pay (if enoguh complaints) or those iframe pics.

To me it is unjust and makes me upset and they have no right to do that. None. Now maybe if I was ripping people off, yeah I should get some abusive stuff but the "getaway car" and whatever else makes me furious. And the fact i was advertising there and that goes on and was not removed is surprising - even if I advertised or NOT. They are not valid so should not be there. If it was me I would delete the entire thing because its irresponsible bashing with no substance.

So what happened to this site? I havent had time to look, was it bashing? or ?
-Maryanne (webstars2k)

[halexzo]

I just wanted to say thank you!

I thought it was just me until I saw a post within baggabucks discussion at gpt about this forum and then trotted over here to see.

You see, I do not look at stuff like that except for pictures who did not pay (if enoguh complaints) or those iframe pics.

To me it is unjust and makes me upset and they have no right to do that. None. Now maybe if I was ripping people off, yeah I should get some abusive stuff but the "getaway car" and whatever else makes me furious. And the fact i was advertising there and that goes on and was not removed is surprising - even if I advertised or NOT. They are not valid so should not be there. If it was me I would delete the entire thing because its irresponsible bashing with no substance.

So what happened to this site? I havent had time to look, was it bashing? or ?
-Maryanne (webstars2k)

Hello Maryanne and welcome

What is right is right and the way they went to start bashing you and your site was/is wrong.

'They' (usually the same regular players at that circus) do not care whether you been around for many years and have proven yourself over and over again nor do they care that what they accuse you off, is true or false. .

They make up their own standards of how a site should be run and how any PO should act, their standards, their ethics their terms etc......

If anyone dares to stand up to their rude outbursts you can be assured they will bash and attack even more and will stoop at nothing to make the site and/or PO look bad.

You stood up to them and I say good for you, to many still kiss their b... just to keep from getting attacked and lied about.

As to what happen to this site, well, it started with 1 legit complaint about payout that was a little late because at the time there was lots of spamming attacks going on and all requests had to be sorted out manually plus problems with PP.

BTW, there are a few at that sand pit who will report any PO or other person to PP without actual facts, merlin is one of those.

The members here were made aware of this and all was sorted out. BGPM has been on line since 2003 and has ALWAYS paid those who earned their payout, even those who decided to leave the site if their account was in good standing, those were and are paid also.

But, with that 1 complaint it went to attacks, bashing, accusing, lying, insults etc.... from those 'regular players' against those who stood up for this site and against Bill himself as he refused to bow down to them or run HIS site according to their standards.

We have exposed a lot of what is wrong with that circus and how those 'regular players' will go after those who do not agree with , so any chance they have now, they will include BGPM in any threads at that circus or make a new one about us because we stand up to them which is something they can't take.

Their logo: DO as I say, NOT as I DO

Sooooo, long story short, if one agrees with them, all is ookie dookie, but stand up and defend yourself against their bashing, one pretty much can count on being talked about, and not in a very nice manner either

Eh, who cares, we stand up for what is right, simple.


And to show merlins school yard mentality once again, here ya go, his reply to your last post at that circus:

Merlin
Who am I? Just who are you? You think that your opinion about your so called baggabucks rates your opinion to be better than mine? I could say alot of condesending things to you and your programs,but what purpose would it serve? You appearently think your gods gift to the GPT world. Get a clue and get a new attitude. Not every person is as intelligent as you think you are and has questions about your program. We all asked and expressed opinions as to what the answers you DIDN'T give. Your attitude is like a politician dance around and confuse,insult and degrade when you don't like the questions or give a stupid response like no comment. As to your Bgpaymail forum response all I will say is "monkey see monkey do" and you just got promoted to the head monkey. Go to them,I am sure they have a vast(not really they are too scared to show their real membership numbers), amount of members who might be interested in your pitence profit program(all those who believe that I got some swampland and a bridge to nowhere for sale). Let's just leave it that your now the head monkey searching for bananas and you won't find any here. As always....JMO....Merlin

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merlin, you doing pretty good showing yourself as the head monkey that you are, you really look like the biggest fool there is, sure hope your peers throw you a few bananas every once in a while for reward or are you waiting for those brownie points?

[maryanne]

I replied over there. How crazy is that "Why should your opinion of so called baggabucks rate more than mine?"

Oh, so you were late that doesnt deserve bashing. I have been late many times and you know what they are actually very happy because they know I was just late for whatever reason and not taking off (newbies). There are real emergencies, hackings, sickness - etc. I see you are still here and you do not have to be. Not like the police are going to go chase you down. Real scammers know that.
They should be very happy the opposite was true and take it off.

What you say here tho, spooks me. There is a TE forum fighting a 'clic' as we call them who wants the te owners to act a certain way. Its the same stuff that you say. I first became aware of this attitude in te's this year and find it very weird. Now, there is a clan of ptc people trying to force other ptc's to be a certain way for the clans benefit? Their "rules" in this te world is meant to keep things tight and benefit them because they stopped any real growth. If anyone kicks their -ss in sales, they are NOT following them.
See the same stuffgoing on in the traffic exchange world over here. I have a few posts there.
http://www.smileytraffic.com/board/index.php?showtopic=8

too weird if its in the ptc world, spooky. The best thing anyone can do is stay independent and do not follow any made up rules because they didnt make it up for no reason.
-maryanne

[Donna]

Hi maryanne and welcome I sure do like your spunk!

And, that's what's NEEDED to bring out their true colors!

We battled with them for 10 + months, being called anything from cult followers to skirts, and, yes, even prostitutes - and we did a LOT of digging to find out the truth about them.

Be careful. Your program seems to be their target, for now. Be wary if any of the "gang" joins your program - as one of they just may be "sent" to join so they can collect (even if falsified) dirt on you. And, they may even falsely report you to PayPal, who will, in turn, freeze your account "pending" their findings.

That's how they work if they can't hurt you with their smutt talking.

The above is just my opinion, but, there's enough circumstantial evidence that can lead to believing that, lol.

There's a lot more to it than I can explain, but, it's all a whole lot more than a mere kangaroo court to get their boycotts.

[maryanne]

thanks :-)

oh, not worried and have been targeted about that p.pal thing too many times to count. Such a retarded old trick.

And if newsletters are sent about me, people turn around and show me and get mad even. It costs them biz, not me.

So unless their members top over 100000 and they have an ad budget of thousands of dollars, I am not worried. I have 10 years of building online. thats a long time on the internet under the same name. that makes me an old decrepid woman on here.

I am in the works of a new site, which is a public service (not asking for any membership fee's). It has a motto of "Inform, Expose and Sound Off!" and its about finished, it will be sent to over 140,000 of my members so every page made will be seen by the ones who also make those pages. you guys will love it, and invited to roam on it and put up this stuff after my guinea pig tests it for me.

oh... and guess what... it has categories and topics to chooose from. One is "Bad forums and Blogs".

Way too many people have been at the mercy of evil forums so its time to sling it back.
-Maryanne

[halexzo]

maryanne
I replied over there. How crazy is that "Why should your opinion of so called baggabucks rate more than mine?

That is the mentality that we dealing with at that circus,pathetic.

maryanne
They should be very happy the opposite was true and take it off.

Well see, that is what bugs them so much, BGPM is still here and they did not get their way because some of us and Bill stood up to them,we simply did not just lay down and take their c.... but exposed what was wrong there and how that sand pit actually works.

maryanne
too weird if its in the ptc world, spooky. The best thing anyone can do is stay independent and do not follow any made up rules because they didnt make it up for no reason.

Exactly

maryanne
I am in the works of a new site, which is a public service (not asking for any membership fee's). It has a motto of "Inform, Expose and Sound Off!" and its about finished, it will be sent to over 140,000 of my members so every page made will be seen by the ones who also make those pages. you guys will love it, and invited to roam on it and put up this stuff after my guinea pig tests it for me.

Looking forward to that one, it is time PO's stand up for THEIR RIGHTS as owners.

maryanne
oh... and guess what... it has categories and topics to chooose from. One is "Bad forums and Blogs".

maryanne
Way too many people have been at the mercy of evil forums so its time to sling it back.

You got that right, and yes, it IS time to fight back, like that circus, many think they can tell business owners how to run their sites or tell them how they should act or tell members which sites they should join or not.




BEWARE of GPTBoycott ,they have NO CREDIBILITY, NO AUTHORITY & most importantly, NO LICENSE to do what they doing and BEWARE of them if you value your PRIVACY!!!!!

[yokoda]

hello Marianne and welcome to our fourm.

I am happy you came over here to see what brought us to fight them.
It is exact like Hale and Donna said
What they did to you is their tactical steps . They are doing that time after time and to several sites.
They count on it that people get upset by what they tell about you. Then have to register to stand up for your good name and reputation of your site. They don't care about anyone or anything. and they also don't avoid any word or deed to get you where they want.

I am very happy to see you standing up for your members and your site. What they did was very wrong and they have no proof of anything they say. They always build their smur on lies, assumations and their own opinions without being a member or without any facts.
Yet they still believe everyone in the world has to listen to them and live by the lame rules they made up.

I am realy looking forwards to see your new site.

We are trying to make more and more aware of what the boygot forum is about and that sure is not what they pretent to be

And for MERLIN:
You are not even worth the cement that hold the bricks in the wall. There is no sence trying to speak some comment sence into you. But Please try somethings else this time. You are lying over and over again. You will start an other treat about BGPAYMAIL when ever you likes it. You don't need anything to tick you off
Be aware as we are here and watching you and we are not going to go anywhere as BGPAYMAIL is here , paying and happy
and we keep standing up for the site Bill the admin and the members.
The truth about the circus will be spread till all knows what you are.

yokoda