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[halexzo]

Message from Bill

The PONZI, SCAM AND CLICK FRAUD being perpetrated and PERFORMED at GPTBoycott.com and being PAID FOR SUCH ACTIONS is right on their site and the FRAUD clicks being delivered by the members of those sites that GPTBoycot.com is and did accuse of such. Evidence is a common knowledge of SITES that they were responsible for closing down. Those sites were in direct competition with GPTBoycott for the CLICK FRAUD DOLLAR and GPTBoycott was and is unwilling to share. That is ONLY a minor part of GPTBoycott,com's activities.

BGPayMail VERY PROLONGED so called investigation by those involved in those click FRAUDS, has DELIVERED 1, 27500 CLICKS to GPTBoycott.com. That is just BGPayMail, please do You MATH about how many sites they 'Investigated' in the PAST. So, is GPTBoycott the LILLY WHITE GUARDIAN of the PTR worlds community, or is IT the biggest CLICK AND SCAM FRAUDSTER of all times?

Please judge for yourself , but do know, it is a very long thread:)

http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15225

And please feel free to post any thoughts you may have, Thank You:)

edited 2-03-07 added"Message from Bill" as it seems some members at Boycott can't see that it was written by Bill, even though the have the same Message at Boycott Forum as being posted on behalf of Bill
edited 2-10-07 to clarify that posting Links in this thread (only) is allowed for the sole purpose to show proof of certain Posts made at another Forum (s) ,or if requested by Bill.

[yokoda]

How I feel about this:
first I think it is very unethical to run the same so called ponzi or fraudclick ads at the so called objective GPTB forum
How can you call BGPM and many other PTR sites a scam and all kind of words I don't dare to repeate here as a Christian
as you does the same thing ?
How can you believe that people will have fate and trust gptb forum to considder as a good site where you can find good information to avoid real scam sites if you don't practice integrity?
second I think people who are totaly happy to use belitteling words to others are not respecful and I don't like people who does that, no matter we agree or disagree ideas
even or especialy in bussines you have to be respectful and a disqusion forum needs to handle respect in the firs place
so if the moderators gives permission to use the language and attitude ( by allowe to pass much to long and let things slipp out of hand ) like seen there , I think they are not compable to run a good discusionforum

even discussions needs rules to be valuable

tirth : I wonder who is getting rich over there by inocent passers -by

Wonder why I never post there?? sorry but I pass It makes me sick to the stomach

yokoda

[justmatty]

So that is famous and objective GPTBoycott..forum..

A site that accuses other Ptr"s of doing what they are doing ?

The Lily white Giardian " I dont think..

Well politeness forbids me to say what I really think of it.

Especialy the attacks against Bill , and the obvious intention of trying to close BG down.

I was appalled to see BG mails posted there and then when I read a post there that I had posted

in our forum.. well !!!! It took most of my self control to quit with out, shall we say expressing my opion..

No ethics there it seems and I cannot understand how the moderators allow that .

And what happened to the "Innocent untill proven guilty "?

Should be called GPTWitch hunters.. , They dont care who they trample on to get what they want..


And it seems they want it all.. mmm now who would ibe able to nvestigate them?

[senga44]

I think that they want so much to control the PTR world that they are trying to shove their

beliefs down our throats without giving us the consideration that we are adults and not children

that have to be told what to do and can make

up our own minds about which programs are good or which ones are bad

or which to join or not to join. That is our right and they are trying to take it away from us

and make us zombies under their control.



From what i have seen there, it is a case of DO WHAT I SAY AND NOT WHAT I DO in the case

of the ads for HYIP, and what they call the Ponzi scams.



It seems to me it is a personal attack on Bill and BGPM


You are right justmatty it IS a witch hunt, and I believe it is them that will get burned in the end.


The administration is allowing or just ignoring what is being said or implied from the ones against

BGPM, and banning the ones that are for BGPM for taking up for the site and themselves

but it is that same administration that will have to answer to it.

[Donna]

You know, it really saddens me to see how much gptBoycott has deteriorated without proper moderation of their forum. It seems like these crusaders are taking advantage of the fact that there are not enough moderators available to step in when libelous and unethical posts are made.

What ever happened to "netiquette?" What ever happened to "unbiassed" moderatoion?

I hadn't really taken notice of gptB ads until BgPayMail was being accused of promoting "click fraud," and "illegal" ponzis, hyips, etc. and, Bill pointed it out.

And, all of a sudden, admin of gptB says we can't use other programs for comparison in BgPayMail thread, but, says nothing when wil brings up BGPayMail in other threads as an example of what they are talking about.

Just as I do not feel BGPayMail is doing wrong, neither did I think gptB forum is doing wrong as far what kind of ads are being advertised. Advertising is advertising, and, as long as the company being advertised has not been legally "convicted" of anything, I say it's a free enterprise.

The crusaders act like the world needs to be sheltered like kids, and, that we cannot think for ourselves. What do they think people are? Too stupid to make our own decisions about the ads we see?

I don't need nobody telling me what ads are "illlegal" anymore than any business needs another business or crusader to tell them what they can and can't advertise. I'm a grown person, and I CAN "READ" and comprehend for myself what and what I don't want to join or invest in.

And, to be honest, I don't think PP would have even interfered with advertisements run by most PTR programs if some disgruntled idiot had not reported them in the first place. I even think PP looks upon crusaders as a nuiscense, butting into THEIR affairs as much as we do with crusaders butting into ours.

PayPal DOES run random reviews of their client accounts, and, rarely have I seen an account being frozen for the kinds of ads they run. Most times, with PTR, it's the idiots who DIRECTLY accuse a PTR owners of BEING a ponzi, or whatever, that temporarily freezes accounts.

And, to say that IF a PO of a PTR is not using PP it's because they are "guilty" as accused is ludicrous!

I KNOW of one or two PTR owners that CHOSE NOT to use PP after they have been reinstated because they don't like the way PP operates. One, in fact, one PTR owner told me they can't afford to have even part of their funds being witheld because of PP's allowance of chargebacks - even though it's understood the purpose of such. As would be the case of a buyer is dissatisfied with a material "product" bought in auctions. And, in THOSE cases the product must be returned. How can one return advertisements that have already been sent?

All PP would need to do is make PTR an exception to charge backs.

I keep telling the crusaders they need to read between the lines of PP's AUP and THINK about why PP has produced the terms in their AUP.

I think PP's hands were slapped with that fine for "involvement" with processing money for the purpose of gambling and off shore betting because they once ALLOWED such companies to HAVE ACCOUNTS with PP. THAT'S involvement, whereas, had those companies NOT had accounts, the legal system would have only used PP transactions as mere evidence to point against the those gambling sites that were illegal.

What a person DOES with their money is THEIR business - unless that person having a PP account is, ITSELF, one who is committing fraud. Most PTR programs are NOT, themselves, illegal ponzis, hyips, or whatever, nor should they be accused of fraud for the kinds of ads sent out.

These crusaders are barking up the wrong tree, I think. I've even pointed out that anything they deemed as "illegal" should be reported to the LEGAL authorities: that payment processors are payment processors, PTR, PTR, and advertising is advertising. And, no one but the legal system is authorized to charge, convict, or judge.

But, as you can see, anything I say in that thread falls on deaf ears, or they take what I say and twist my words. And, because the moderators are too "busy" to step in, the crusaders get away with it. They get away with libelous posts, false accusations, saying unethical things, like calling us prostitutes or cult followers just because we support BgPayMail.

All I can say is the crusaders opened a serious can of worms, and the moderators were too lax or negligent in their duties to keep posters in line. And, because of that gptB can be held libel, as it is THEIR responsibility to ensure that gptB runs a clean and public forum.

If anyone has violated their own terms, gptB has, by negligence, if anything. They allowed inappropriate language that goes against their clause of "netequette," allowed libelous posts, and now, have even become biassed against supporters of a program - totally opposite of the kind of forum they claim to be - fair and unbiassed.

I think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If gtpB deems the advertising of ponzis (which IMO, cannot be deemed illegal unto covicted of such on an individual basis) as just cause for boycotting a PTR site, then THEY should refrain from collecting monies for such ads, themselves.

No need for the excuse of "third party" principles. No matter what they say, advertising is advertising, and if they allow the claim that what is advertised by the goose is wrong, then, it's wrong for their site to do so, too.

And, if anyone should be repremanded or banned, it should be the ones who opened the can of worms.


Great posts, folks!!!!!!! And, ty, hale, for starting this thread.

[LadyEden]

OOPS!

ETA - My wisdom is wasted here.

look at quote in post #7

This post has been edited by halexzo: Sep 17 2008, 07:20 PM

Reason for edit: add quote #

[uni1]

I can go into a long, long discussion about this, that and the other, but it's all stuff and nonsense. If you read any thread about any PTR site that has complaints against it at GPTB, you will see the same patterns emerge. First the posters turn on the program/owner, then the posters turn on each other, then the posters turn on GPTB. I have seen it countless times and that's why I limit my involvement in those threads.

I hinted early on in that thread that what some of you were doing was causing more damage than good. The more attention brought to a thread, the more likely the chances of BG being boycotted, because when that can gets opened, there's always somebody that's gonna find some worms. I don't understand how this was not obvious for all that participated. Are we kids that we NEED the satisfaction of having the last word.

I'm sorry, but when I read between the lines, all I see is unjustified bravado, and you guys have no one to blame but yourselves if BG is boycotted. That thread started as a simple complaint, that had seemed to resolve itself, that is, until some of you decided you had to justify and analogize every single point. That really wasn't necessary. If the "crusaders" didn't have anyone to argue with, they wouldn't be able to argue with themselves, would they. Sometimes common sense is not so common.

Now as far as the Adsense ads at GPTB go, they are contextual. I think you know what that means. You're mixing apples and oranges and anyone that has a clue will realize that.

And you are right......we are adults, and most of us can see the truth, no matter how many angles it is presented from. It is very unbecoming to BG and its members to presume that they are 100% right in everything they say. It's not realistic.

Bill, I still enjoy your wit and I will continue to be a member of your program, but I will always try to remain objective because it is something I pride myself for. One can be loyal without being blind, we are all human after all.

Just my (non-paid) 2 cents.

OOh heres my two cents,
Anyone ever notice that the detractors are always the same people ie Wil (Freecashspace).
This is one of the so called I am not in that program so I know everything about it people.
This person comtinually attacks legitimate sites and supports scam sites.
I wonder why? (wink wink, nudge nudge).
We then have you come and say dont support your site because it is not worth it.
Sorry to say but the fact is I like this site and will support it anyway I see fit.
To say we are all wrong and have no common sense is not only rude but a cop out.
If you want to sit on the fence so be it, just do not lecture us as though we are all children
Sometimes you just have to fight to prove a point.
No point in being trodden on all the time.

[halexzo]

On behalf of Bill,

ADDENDUM to the Terms for BGPM



BGPayMail will no longer be cooperating with GPTBoycott.com
due to the following reasons, few for now, but will be adding other
reasons as and when needed:

The very unprofessional, very biased handling by it's Management and
Moderators
of the PERCEIVED, UNFOUNDED, (by them),
'issues' pertaining to BGPayMail.

No one, from the Management, ever, approached BGPayMail with
anything,
be it questions, defense, proofs of anything that could clear any
'perceived'
problems.

Any member of BGPayMail will be required to use the services
provided to them
in the event of their dispute or complaint against BGPayMail, and are
required
to exhaust the channels provided on the site for such purposes.

Be it the Forum, Chat Room , or email, in regards of gripes,
problems,
or anything regarding their BGPayMail account or membership,
and will have to use those facilities provided to amicable solve
their 'whatever'.

If, by some reason it is not possible to solve the problem,
then they can try any other forum.

All the information is at the site and the Links
are provided under the BGPayMail Menu.

Also, You must register Your email address,
the information on how to do this is at the Forum.

If any member post a complaint on any other forum without first
trying
to solve it at BGPayMail provided facilities, WILL have their account
deleted,
and all earnings forfeited without recourse of an appeal. Period.

This Addendum to BGPayMails Terms
will apply as soon as they are posted at the BGPayMail site.

edited 2-05-07

[Donna]

Thank you, Hale, for posting that - and, ty Bill.

I think it's only fair that any member of any program who has a problem with the site or PO, should go to the party in question and try to resolve a matter before making a public out cry.

For example, the very person that started the thread in gptB COULD have followed up on his request for payment by sending a polite inquery to Bill when 30 days have passed without receiving payment. That would have been the normal thing to do. Or, even posting in the BgPayMail Forum.

NONE of this would have escallated into what it did if Ianh had done that - and, I am sure, the matter would have been rectified far more quickly that it was. And, thus, there would have been no need to make a public cry at gptB.

A simple note or post. Why do people have to make mountains out of mole hills?

[Donna]

We all have opinions, and ALL should be respected, as we all have points to make.

I don't even go into gptB much - only when I see a program I like being brought up for discussion.

I defend for the purpose of showing two sides to the issues, so that viewers can see for themselves, both sides, and not be misguided by seeing only one side.

When I was new to PTR and learned of gptB, I went there often before joining new programs that I saw advertised. If the program was discussed, I went there to see the feedback on it, and, then compare it to what the program had to offer.

If all I saw posted were the negatives, and, no positives, I would avoid joining that site.

So, it is from my own experience, that, with any program I'm involved with, I try to show the positive side of the program.

And, if the negatives FEED off that, so be it.

And, as we can see, it brings out the worst in them, what with their accusations and personal insults. And, THAT only shows viewers just what type of people they are, which can be quite useful for credibility of what they say.

Yes, I agree that the discussion of BgPayMail should have been ended long ago, and better monitored by the moderators. One would think over a 100 pages and a period of 7 months would be enough said, and be enough time allowed for a gathering of 10 complaints to be registered.

I can't fathom why the admin of gptB has allowed this thread to go this long and disregard so many forum violations. Perhaps bgtB IS bias, after all, and keeping the thread open in hopes to get 10 complaints?

Makes me wonder if there isn't more to this than what meets the eye.

Yes, it goes from complaint to discussion of the topic, goes off topic to personal attacks, and, then, to the topic of gptb.

But, you know, in THIS case, I'm apt to believe complaints against gptB are legitimate.

Why BgPayMail? What other program discussions have so many pages w/o moderators stepping in when things get out of line? What other program has been allowed to be discussed in such a manner without concern by admin for their own rules on libel, netiquette, and, of staying on topic?

I'm not complaining about gptB because of the fact that the discussion is on my favorite PTR, but, on the basis of gptB's slack, here late, in their responsibilities.

If there are not enough modorators to stay on top of what's being discussed to maintain the site's credibility of being what they claim, then, with all due respect, the forum should shut itself down until they can do so.

But, then, of course, how could they mantain the costs of operations without the income from ads like:

http://www.gptboycott.com/watch/
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profit-sharing.org

http://www.gptboycott.com/dead/
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We pay you 15% daily for 30 days Daily payment to your egold account
www.ShareEarning.com

http://www.gptboycott.com/dead/
King of Autosurf in Here
Make 44% in 12 Days Fast and secured payment
AdsEyeBalls.com

(note: these ads seem to be roatated - example, when I first checked the "dead" page, the "Share Earnings" ad was there. But, the second time (right after I clicked out of it) I clicked on that page, the "AdsEyeBalls" was there instead of the "Share Earnings" ad.)

[LadyEden]

OOPS!

ETA - My wisdom is wasted here.

[LadyEden]

OOPS!

ETA - My wisdom is wasted here.

[andrea]

Thank you uni1 for your 2 cents! I certainly agree with this portion of your 2 cents (in response to LadyEden):

"To say we are all wrong and have no common sense is not only rude but a cop out.
If you want to sit on the fence so be it, just do not lecture us as though we are all children."

Below, I will post "my 2 cents"; however, not before taking the opportunity to ask "Lady"(???)Eden if the user name is to imply that she is Eve??? Some 20+ years of Astrology make me wonder if this is the voice of the {un-evolved...vs. highly-evolved} egotistical voice of Leo (or Leo rising, at best) speaking -- not to mention the remark about the "non-paid 2 cents".

I came to the Forum for the purpose that Bill requested in the email. However, I happened upon this thread and decided to read it for the purpose mentioned in my "2 cents" below...which was actually a message sent to Bill and never intended for the Forum. I've decided to post it here though because in all of this, there's hardly a word of concern about Bill, considering all that he's done for ALL of us. After you read it, you will understand why this will be my only post on this topic, and why, if you look at my stats, you'll see that the number of posts I've made overall are few.



My Dear Friend Bill,

As usual, I cannot imagine who, in their "right mind" could, or would, stoop so low as to post negative comments of any sort, or for any reason, about You or BGPayMail; whether it be in a Forum, Chat, or with any website whose PO, and/or Admin. (under no authority of the law), has taken it upon themselves to "police" another Man's business to the point of forcing that Man, or placing Him in such a position, as to find it necessary to take steps such as have become necessary in this circumstance in order to protect Himself, His Program/Business, His members, and Their Business.

I am truly sorry for "whatever" has occurred to bring about the actions You were led to take in order to protect Us, Your Loyal members, and Yourself; But, I Do Thank You for standing up and doing so. However, those actions, whether deemed by You as "curt", or otherwise, only further prove to the masses, the Integrity within You.

While occasional Forum visits are a "necessary evil" in this business for the purpose of members maintaining knowledge of the goings on in and around the program, I maintain my position that such places of gathering/communing together have sadly evolved into the likes of an online pub -- a place where the downtrodden, wallowing in their misery, congregate for the purpose of sharing their ill fortune with all who enter therein, and to the detriment of all.

With this in mind, I offer my sincere and heartfelt condolences to You. Yet though I extend these tidings to You, I do not do so in sadness. Rather, I commend You for being the Man that You are; for Caring; Protecting; and Sheltering your members, who Do Love You; and for weathering the storm, on Our behalf, from those who, try as they may, to bring Us down. To their own dismay, they have only managed to expose the True and Genuine Character of the Gentleman that is Bill Gazo.

[LadyEden]

OOPS!

ETA - My wisdom is wasted here.

[LadyEden]

OOPS!

ETA - My wisdom is wasted here.