If you had your accounts frozen................., or were affected bt GPTBoycott.com ................... Options

[halexzo]

To all Owners of PTR,PTC, Portals, Surf Sites,

If you had your accounts frozen or were affected by GPTBoycott.com decissions or closures, please post either here or write to:

admin@bgpaymail.com

Please dont forget, your Email Address has to be registered to send Mail to BGPM and verified.All you have to do, once you receive the Confirmation Mail, without changing anything, hit reply and send it back.



edited 2-10-07

[halexzo]

I think any PO out there should be aware that some former, plus existing members at Boycott have in the past and may still report your Site to PayPal and/or SE affiliates.

And at least one of those Members there is known to sign up with false Information, by his own admission, he will join a Site for the sole purpose to see if all is up to HIS standards and will use anything in his crusade against PTR.

The PO of this Site here has taken a stand against them and I applaud him for that.

Not just in the Interest for his Members but also for the Rights each PO should have running their own Site.

Those select few at Boycott who think they should be able to control what Rules the site should have and which Ads should be allowed, should NOT have the right to continue their personal vendettas they may have against some in order to boycott or close down any Site.



BEWARE OF BOYCOTT-A SELECT FEW ARE ALLOWED TO USE PERSONAL VENDETTAS AGAINST ANY SITE/PO.THEY WILL SAY AND DO ANYTHING TO GET THEIR WAY.THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LIE,CHEAT,DECEIVE,ACCUSE,ASSUME, FALSIFY,BELITTLE,RIDICULE,SCRUTINIZE AND PERSONALLY ATTACK ANYONE THEY LIKE AND SUCH MEMBERS ARE TRUSTED FOR SITES TO BE BOYCOTTED.
ANY PO'S NEED TO BE AWARE AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE MEMBERS THERE MAY BE SIGNING UP AT ANY SITE USING FALSE INFORMATION TO SNOOP.

QUOTE freecashspace
OF COURSE I joined Spare-Dollars using false personal information.

quoting OurPTR2
Good. So now we have established by your own admittance you are a TOS breaker, a cheater and a liar.

quoting freecashspace
Iam biased And I do have an agenda.And I live by no other moral code than my own

quoting trulyfair
I think Wil just likes the idea of being an "undercover (PTR) cop

quoting freecashspace
Just like I report sites to Paypal for breaking their User Agreement.Just like I report search engine affiliates who break the search engine's Terms. But I'm a nice guy. I usually try to contact the person and give them a chance to fix things before I report them. You know what? They almost never do.

"usually try" what does that mean? 5% of the time? 25% of the time?ever?

quoting bluedahlia
If you do a search on this site, the notion of reporting PTR to paypal has been discussed. Hauling Cash was reported to paypal by poster on this forum, who was very proud of his/her feat.

YouthInAsia
My colleagues and I during our last "tour" reported a bunch of questionable yet popular programs to Paypal. Any program with a "bubble", "randomizer", MLM ponzi structure, or who ran ads for unlicensed casinos or pharma companies were on our radar. I notice quite a few of them have been "frozen" by Paypal. Paypal's "freeze now, ask questions later" policy worked to our advantage. Our latest victim was a program that was very popular until recently. We were glad to do our part to reign in the rampant fraud. When programs cannot trade in paypal…it limits their scope to the audience we hope to help or protect.

quoting medicsgirl
i have emailed sponors to find they do not back the site. so, i took it to the next step to file a complaint with paypal.

quoting fight4justice
A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN'S & MEMBERS SIGNATURES

Boycott itself for years now has allowed for PONZI,HYIP'S,SURF SITES, ECT....to be shown on their Site to generate extra Income.Even thou it states in their Forum Rules:

Due to the questionable legality of the following types of site, their promotion either in posts or signatures, is prohibited at this forum:
Gifting Clubs,
HYIPs,
Ponzi Schemes,
Pyramid Schemes,
Randomizers.

Here are just a few of those found at Boycott:

talkgold.com
bestgreenhyip.com
blessedbygod.dubbsmarketing.com
global-investment.info
skillhyip.net
yourmoney-tgm.com
bestgreenhyip.com
planetptr.com
ipb-invest.com
wealthaire.com
search4others.com
thegetrichsecret.com
adseyeballs.com
profitsinvestment.com
exproland.com
valcainvest.com
azhyip.biz
medieval-hyip.com
azhyip.biz
aolhyip-fx.biz
forexgoldteam.biz
aolhyip.org
forexgoldteam.net
hyip101.com
surf4others.com
margaretclay-hyip.com
e-gold-invest.com
5000investor.com

Just as Members are allowed to promote Sites in their signatures which send no other Ad's but searches and according to those few select are considered promoting 'click fraud'

It does not matter to me if they do or don't, what does bother me is that the few members there are allowed to scrutinize and attack any PO for doing the same.

That to me is a double standard on the Part of Boycott.

I strictly believe it should be up to each Site Owner which Ads he/she will send out and up to each Member which Ads they like to receive or click on, NOT those so called" protectors of ptr".









This post has been edited by halexzo: Mar 21 2007, 11:55 PM

Reason for edit: added tp post

[halexzo]

On behalf of Bill:

I will host anyones site that they will attack, for FREE , as long as it is not a

"scam" site...

[halexzo]

QUOTE(fight4justice @ Mar 12 2007, 11:37 AM)

09-21-2006, 16:51
RBNLOVESPOH

Re: BGPaymail
________________________________________
Be happy to enlighten you

When GPTInfo was open(Martin Lawerance's forum) it was posted by AnI4AnI and also Wil and Flint. They have made it perfectly clear over at WIW in their posts. Flint and AnI are both banned here, they used different names here though

So they have Wil doing all the dirty work for them where he is not banned, which is here and WIW. They claim to be doing it to fight click-fraud, huh. They are Anti-PTR all the way.

It was also made clearat GPTInfo that they wanted a list of over 750 PTR sites sent to PayPal for them to check out. The reason I know this as FACT is because I was a MOD there for awhole 48 hrs before Martin threw a fit and we either quit or got let go.
I chose to quit because I felt it was wrong of them to send the list to PayPal.
We were even told that we were not allowed to post at WIW as long as we were Mods at his forum.
All you have to do is ask around and you will find out the truth about these people and what was posted at that now defunk forum.

This is all fact. PayPal come into PTR and check out all the sites on that list would have really hurt this industry and alot of siteswould have been affected.There was not 1 clicky searchy site on that list either

Sep 6 2006, 03:28 AM
Post #1

I believe I have found the culprit behind the whole PayPal fiasco like the issues with HaulingCash, WePaid, SpareDollars, Myster-e-mails and so forth.

Is it a coincidence that gptinfo.net closed only last week?

Okay, here is a post done by Martin. It seems that I can't use the qoute button.

Martin Today, 04:14 PM Post #20

(XXXXX@ Sep 5 2006, 04:10 PM)

Ahhhh...now I see what you're saying!

You're not going to specifically name sites are you?

Like I said, I'm not doing it to shut sites down - I'm doing it to verify that these sites can operate legally within Paypal's AUP. I do not need to name individual sites to do that.

So, he is emailing PayPal to see if programs are in complience with their terms? How much do we know that it is a lie? He may not be biased on certain programs. He listed WePaid on his banned list, and all of a sudden that program's PayPal account got restricted. This is in bad timing for him to be doing this.

Martin Today, 08:24 PM Post #59

(xxxxxxxxxxxx @ Sep 5 2006, 08:18 PM)

(Ever considered that things are being done in the back ground and that Martin's heavy handed approach to this issue may actually undo that work and cause harm?.

He isn't an elected official to tackle a corporation on behalf of the industry and if he does go ahead and it all backfires who do you think we will be coming to for answers? Him and all those who are supporting this careless approach to things.

His approach is like Hitler going into Russia, no thought or plans on what to do after Day 1 of the assualt) <Qouted from another poster that Martin responded to.>

Things have been "being done" in the background for years - finally some people are now stepping up and making some progress.

I do have plans xx...

So Martin. Are you saying that you have been behind all these accounts being frozen for years now? All along, we all thought it was Evelyn Turner been reporting the PTR programs to PayPal. Now, from this post, it sounds like you have been reporting the programs to PayPal where they lost PayPal completely, or got restricted. Martin, you hurt the programs to a point that they are behind on payouts. AKA Michael Lasky, Myster-e-mails, SpareDollars, WePaid, and others.

From what I am seeing from that forum are three loudmouths who have been very negative towards any programs. Wil, Ani aka Jypsy and Martin Lawrence.

These three get to a point where they become abusive towards the owners that they attack to a point some of them can not take it anymore, and the owners disappears.

They list all PTR programs who sends a search ad as fraud or click frauds.

here are a lot of programs listed that do not force their members to search. I noticed something from a list that Moni for her search engine placing PaidMailDaily.net as forcing members or using 0iframes as being wrong. He never forced anybody to search, nor he had any 0Iframes as well. The program he sold was MythicalMails which is under new ownership to Bob Ffarrar.

So Martin? Do you want a fight? Come bring it since everybody knows that you and your croonies are not respected anymore since your GPTinfo.net site and forum is nothing but a big joke.

I was wrong about searches back then. Over time, I (with a lot of help, often in the form of fierce debate) changed my understanding and saw that it wasn't the win-win-win situation I thought it was. Wasn't the first time I was wrong about something, and it wasn't the last.

Cheers,

Wil

Yes All PO's BEWARE and please check this also http://www.who-is-who-in-gpt.com/forum/ind...?showtopic=2619
& this http://www.who-is-who-in-gpt.com/forum/ind...p?showforum=187 granted some are scams but not all

[halexzo]

QUOTE(fight4justice @ Mar 22 2007, 08:29 AM)
QUOTE(davidj31 @ Mar 22 2007, 03:32 AM)
QUOTE
The dates for those complaints were, as follows:

Date: May 21, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006
Date: January 16, 2004
Date: January 10, 2007


Exactly how long do complaints stay valid. Seems to me the one in 2004 should be null and void. If this is how boycott is going to operate, a site could have one complaint a year and end up on the watch list.

Appears there are no hard fast rules governing how sites are deemed worthy of watch list or boycott status.




Thank you for replying David, but by what Alora says, the 2004 complaint was deleted, so they really only had two which are the two that are now on the boycott list with (Merged) next to the name.

That is what I was asking Get Paid to Boycott to explain and got this nonsensical explanation form Alora.


QUOTE
Before the boycott of BGPayMail, the complaint submitted in January of 2004 was deleted. One complaint submitted on May 25, 2006 was merged with a complaint sent on February 7, 2007 - the latter date displays on the boycott page.
Date BGPM was put on Watch List is January 20th. 2007

So taking the 2004 complaint out would leave them with
Date: May 21, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006 -so they really only had three on the 20th Jan but the boycott list only shows 2 Merged so there's one DUD
in this list.


On the 20 January when BGPM was put on the watchlist, two of the above complaints must be legal as there are two (Merged) showing in the Boycott list of complaints, so I would take it that 3rd complaint about is a DUD, made up by the all powerful GPTB and still wrong by what's been shown, no wonder they don't list the complaints associated when putting any site on the Watch List.

TOTAL FABRICATION.

Then the goes on to say,


QUOTE
That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by those on the BGPayMail forum.


So who are those?


As I say total FABRICATION

Then you have this:-



QUOTE
Submit a Complaint, Boycott a Program!
________________________________________
This is a quick note to remind our members that forum posts will not be taken into account when considering which programs to boycott.

Many thanks,
Rob


So there they go changing their own rules to suit by adding this


QUOTE
That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by those on the BGPayMail forum



QUOTE
2 Rules for Boycotting that has me confused by the way.

The second reason, is that the only way we can boycott a program is if we receive ten complaints received through our submission form. E-mails, forum posts, and other forms of communication are not taken into account. It is therefore vitally important that members use the submission form wherever possible to submit their complaints.

The staff at the site privately discuss the program and its complaints, and in the absence of reasons preventing us from boycotting the site, that site will usually be boycotted




Now regarding BGPM being put on the Watchlist on Jan 20 with the CIRCUS only having 2 legitimate complaints, what they were making all their readers believe is that BGPM had 5 complaints against them.

Where is the credibility that they keep professing they have.

TOTAL FABRICATION on their part IMO

I wonder how many complaints, those sites on the CIRCUS' Watch List really have against them, legitimate ones.
WAKE UP POs and clickers you are being taken for a ride by GET PAID TO BOYCOTT.

quoting fight4justice
A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH MEMBERS SIGNATURES – SITES THAT BREAK PP'S AUP ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN'S SIGNATURE - PO's SHOULD BEWARE OF THE SNAKEPIT CALLED GET PAID TO BOYCOTT

This post has been edited by halexzo: Mar 23 2007, 12:50 PM

Reason for edit: corrected quote

[fight4justice]

(fight4justice @ Mar 22 2007, 08:29 AM)

(davidj31 @ Mar 22 2007, 03:32 AM)

The dates for those complaints were, as follows:

Date: May 21, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006
Date: January 16, 2004
Date: January 10, 2007


Exactly how long do complaints stay valid. Seems to me the one in 2004 should be null and void. If this is how boycott is going to operate, a site could have one complaint a year and end up on the watch list.

Appears there are no hard fast rules governing how sites are deemed worthy of watch list or boycott status.

Thank you for replying David, but by what Alora says, the 2004 complaint was deleted, so they really only had two which are the two that are now on the boycott list with (Merged) next to the name.

That is what I was asking Get Paid to Boycott to explain and got this nonsensical explanation form Alora.

Before the boycott of BGPayMail, the complaint submitted in January of 2004 was deleted. One complaint submitted on May 25, 2006 was merged with a complaint sent on February 7, 2007 - the latter date displays on the boycott page.
Date BGPM was put on Watch List is January 20th. 2007

So taking the 2004 complaint out would leave them with
Date: May 21, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006
Date: May 25, 2006 -so they really only had three on the 20th Jan but the boycott list only shows 2 Merged so there's one DUD
in this list.


On the 20 January when BGPM was put on the watchlist, two of the above complaints must be legal as there are two (Merged) showing in the Boycott list of complaints, so I would take it that 3rd complaint about is a DUD, made up by the all powerful GPTB and still wrong by what's been shown, no wonder they don't list the complaints associated when putting any site on the Watch List.

TOTAL FABRICATION

Then the goes on to say,

That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by those on the BGPayMail forum.

So who are those?


As I say total FABRICATION

Then you have this:-

Submit a Complaint, Boycott a Program!
________________________________________
This is a quick note to remind our members that forum posts will not be taken into account when considering which programs to boycott.

Many thanks,
Rob

So there they go changing their own rules to suit by adding this

That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by those on the BGPayMail forum

2 Rules for Boycotting that has me confused by the way.

The second reason, is that the only way we can boycott a program is if we receive ten complaints received through our submission form. E-mails, forum posts, and other forms of communication are not taken into account. It is therefore vitally important that members use the submission form wherever possible to submit their complaints.

The staff at the site privately discuss the program and its complaints, and in the absence of reasons preventing us from boycotting the site, that site will usually be boycotted

Now regarding BGPM being put on the Watchlist on Jan 20 with the CIRCUS only having 2 legitimate complaints, what they were making all their readers believe is that BGPM had 5 complaints against them.

Where is the credibility that they keep professing they have.

TOTAL FABRICATION on their part IMO

I wonder how many complaints, those sites on the CIRCUS' Watch List really have against them, legitimate ones.
WAKE UP POs and clickers you are being taken for a ride by GET PAID TO BOYCOTT

TRUMPED UP I WOULD SAY


A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH MEMBERS SIGNATURES – SITES THAT BREAK PP’S AUP ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN’S SIGNATURE - PO’s SHOULD BEWARE OF THE SNAKEPIT CALLED GET PAID TO BOYCOTT





This post has been edited by fight4justice: Mar 25 2007, 01:39 AM

[fight4justice]

Yesterday, 16:50 Merlin2307 On Get PAID to BOYCOTT

Just for your information, Wil was not the only individual who reported you to paypal for violation of its AUP

A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH MEMBERS SIGNATURES – SITES THAT BREAK PP’S AUP ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN’S SIGNATURE - PO’s SHOULD BEWARE OF THE SNAKEPIT CALLED GET PAID TO BOYCOTT

[fight4justice]

Dearest Alora,

Nobody cares which day she submitted the complaint. She could have sent it in a month later. It doesn't make her complaint any less valid. She was paid out of terms. You posted a quote from an email Bill sent out: "Apologies to those that their claims are being tooooo slow." Bill, himself, has admitted payouts were beyond terms.

Sure Bill did but should some expect interest if they were paid before the email was send and you know the reason why payments were late at the time, spam and someone reporting Bill to PP. As for Ianh's interest, he certainly does not deserve it. You are correct nobody cares, specially BOYCOTT as long as the traffic come in

Again, the email you quoted directly from Bill states he did pay interest. If that was her complaint (and I do NOT believe that's what she says), I think that would be valid, too. Perhaps not enough to use it as a reason for a boycott, but enough to keep it on the list of complaints displayed.

Decision made to suit the agenda!

Disagree, 3 days is a reasonable time after but would there have been a complaint, if the crusaders hadn’t coerced the complainant into putting in a complaint at boycott? I suppose you will now coerce her to write it was her choice to do so

It's just your opinion. Not everyone agrees.

Yes my opinion and of a few others and the only genuine complaint


Could Hale have received the email address if Bill hadn't given it to her? No. That's personal.

Could Ianh have been paid if Bill hadn't given her his email address? Bill will be damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
It is not personal in this case. Halexzo is admin

Nikki also stated that she made payment when she was admin, did you all jump on her like you did Halexzo, NO? That proves to me that you all just have a personal vendetta against Halexzo or is it pure jealousy on the part of some because she has been given a bonus and was made admin

Why not allow the discussion to continue? This is a discussion forum, afterall.

No it is a snakepit! Where everything is twisted, discussions are left without moderators all you really care about is the traffic coming to the circus

Mainly you.

Ahhhhhhh!!! Why me, Alora or Rob?

Is it because I pointed out what a DOUBLE STANDARD boycott has for boycotting sites when they are the biggest FRAUDSTERS out there.

Is that why you keep repeating:

Take Note: Nowhere does it say anything about advertising!

No it doesn’t in Rob’s reason for boycotting above the list. But was allowed in the comments.

WHY? So no one can say to Rob, but you advertise those too and yet BGPM has no Google Adsense. But we all know better and I sincerely hope that members & PO’s take a good look around your circus and see exactly what DOUBLE STANDARD BOYCOTT works by. You even allow it in the advertising thread and when I pointed that out, trulyfair said that thread is there for spammers , SURE pull the other leg, boycott.

Please show me where I said complaints for a boycott were taken from forum posts. This has never been the case.

Hasn't it? Look below

That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by those on the BGPayMail forum

Above, you replied “mainly you” in regards to “those” so which posts did you pick, wouldn’t be the ones where I point out get PAID to BOYCOTT’S DOUBLE STANDARD, would it?

Whichever posts you picked, it still means posts were picked from the forum

I personally contacted Bill, before the boycott of BGPayMail, to discuss the complaints and reasons why BGPayMail could possibly be boycotted. We had, in my opinion, a very civil discussion. He was given the chance to offer his opinions and facts. In the end, the staff at GPTBoycott only used three reasons to boycott BGPayMail: the site is not complying with its Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, lack of response to genuine support questions or comments, and complaints about the site are routinely deleted from their forum, and a "gag clause" has been enacted against the site's members.

You contacted Bill, AFTER putting BGPM on the WATCHLIST but after 8+ months as you did not have enough complaint you decided to put BGPM on the WATCHLIST anyway with only 2 complaint, so Bill was never given the chance to verify all the complaints or offer his opinions and facts as to whether they were member or what they were claiming was true. Then all he received was a message that BGPM has been boycotted. You did NOT give Bill ANY names, even thou he ASKED that you provide them for him to check.

All Bill was sent was a message that BGPM is boycotted for some trumped up reasons, but the site was already plastered all over the place. AFTER it was boycotted.

Amazingly nearly all the complaints came after you closed the other thread and allowed the previous thread to be reopen within the day, then went on to allow Wil to c/p posts from one thread to the other and only posts which accuses BGPM of wrong doing without proof. What was the real reason behind that move? To hide what get PAID to BOYCOTT had been accused of which are:-

Get PAID to BOYCOTT has DOUBLE STANDARD advertises PONZIS, SCAMS, GET RICH SCHEMES through GOOGLE ADSENSE and are raking in the cash by holding those one sided discussions, the longer it goes on the more traffic for gptb. (included in the discussion although BGPM does not have GOOGLE ADSENSE.)

Admin advertises sites that breaks PP’s AUP in their signatures (also included in the discussion) and allows members to advertise FORCED SEARCH ‘by your rules’ through their members signature. (also included in the discussion implying that BGPM is a forced search site).

Allows SCAM SITES & GET RICH SCHEMES & CASINOS (also against PP’s AUP) in their advertising thread under the pretext that the thread is there for spammers

Terms of Service and Privacy Policy
Message from Bill:

My TERMS are always adhered to, and so are Privacy matters, please show me what, how, or whose privacy did I divulge, and I do have the right to do that after you allowed THEM to post MY information all over the place.



Having said that, if anyone wants to complain about "special rules", this would be a valid reason. I normally do not go out of my way to contact site owners like this. Technically it isn't a "rule", though. I just decided to be nice. Don't worry - it doesn't happen often.

Exactly, SPECIAL RULES to suit your agenda. As for being nice, you may be, but in this discussion, you have shown nothing but BIAS to BGPM members speaking for the site

I will also make one last attempt to explain the numbers for the Watch List vs the Boycott.

As for your last attempt, TRUMPED UP that’s what I have to say and it is YOU who still cannot understand after my explanation, considering many other members have tried to explain it to you, as well - I'm going to assume you are simply ignoring the facts. See My Post below


A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH MEMBERS SIGNATURES – SITES THAT BREAK PP’S AUP ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN’S SIGNATURE - PO’s SHOULD BEWARE OF THE SNAKEPIT CALLED GET PAID TO BOYCOTT

This post has been edited by fight4justice: Mar 30 2007, 11:35 AM

[fight4justice]

Name: annette wills
Date: May 21, 2006
Comments: paying out of terms. tos say 30 days payment received 33 days. others waiting longer. http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/tinklyc...for_searchers_- t448373.html

http://getpaidforum.com/forums/index.php?s...448373&st=0

Annette Wills
Puts in a complaint that payment was 3 whole days late, lucky!!!!
Her complaint is made on May 21st, the day she gets paid and the day Bill sends out an email.

Apologies to those that their claims are being tooooo
slow, but, I am paying You interest, the same as I charge
You for unwarranted claims.
Also, those of You that do read this, please log into
Your account at least twice a months.

So her gripe is that she didn’t get the interest.

Please read the thread, just a few posts from a couple of the CIRCUS' mouthpieces and we have a discussion thread at boycott.

Easy isn’t it hijack a thread turn it around, throw in a few gripes by the recruiters of boycott and you have traffic at the circus.

Awills: Agree this sounds nothing like BG scammail. I cashed out 30 days ago so from tomorrow this so called wonderful programme owner will be beyond his own terms.

Also have to agree on the slow earning side and the only other sites who have taken this long to pay me were scams that never did, looks like BG could be heading the gpt boycott way. Might have been a good site sometime ago but its had its day IMHO. Plenty sites sending 1c and above links, with mails that have not expired and payout in a few days. All I need in my almost $7 from BG and then I can stick with the other better sites I have found.

May19
Awils post that seeing it’s one day over TOS she’s written to Bill as it is disgusting that the site cannot pay it’s members properly and complains of the lack of emails to such a big member base that’s why most are expired and Tinklycash sounds good, all signed up for the mo but will bare this one in mind when I am able to drop a few.

May 21 2006,
Belle: After thinking about this thread for awhile I am left wondering if anyone will ever explain why this site has never made it to even the discussion stage of incentivized searches.

Any thread has a couple who bring it up and then it shuts down.

Not only is it never added to any list...It is not even really discussed ( or admited) that a problem exists.

So why is it not on any of those lists??? ...anybody???

It wouldnt be the 2 - 5 cent links or the big bonus's....would it?

The same day Awils receives her payment.

Awills. I received my payout yesterday, after 33 days. No interest in my payment or bonus. Has anyone received interest on a late payment?

but how can he say he is paying interest when it is not so? I received payment yesterday so this might be something he decided to do from today, but the way I read the mail sounds like it has been something done for a while.
I agree that if this was another PO they would have been shot down in flames by now but not this one? Why not? Why is he so wonderful and what is the 'hold' (for want of a better word) that he has over so many?

Now comes the push for a boycott from one of the mouthpieces of gptb.

Cybertongue: Maybe whatever interest you had coming was taken out for making "unwarranted claims"...

I think that the reason this site (and many others) hasn't hit the boycott block yet is because it's one of those programs that is kinda quiet and unassuming... Up until the last few months, I'd never even heard of it. It seems like the programs that end up boycotted are either obvious scams or receive alot of attention (positive or negative) or both. That combined with the fact that despite how many members a crappy program has, it seems to be nearly impossible to get even 5 of those members to submit valid complaints to get a program on the watch list, let alone 10 for an all-out boycott...

Awills: Oh how i wish!!! Due to the nature of people being deducted money for asking even if and when they were gonna get payment, I waited till the 30 days were up then emailed pointing out payment was now out of terms.
I personally think its been done to quieten down those waiting payment... thinking that if they do get paid outa terms they will get a little back (50c and dont forget you have to pay 30c to receive your money in the first place).

Outa terms = GPT Boycott in my eyes

Name: Ian Henderson (Merged)
Date: February 7, 2007
Comments: 1) payment out of terms. i have now been waiting 32 days for payment on this site. this is the second payment that i have problems with the last one took about 5 weeks.

Taken from the thread provided by AWils May 18 2006,

Ianh: does not seem much like bgpaymail either
with bgpaymail i waited 5 weeks for my first payout and i finally got to my 2nd payout and i have been waiting 24 days so far
so this tinklycash is nothing like bgpaymail as you can earn fast and get paid fast
personally bgpaymail is my slowest earner and absolutly the slowest paying site that i have come across

1st payout – 37 days approx - TOS = 30 days or a reasonable time after.
2nd payout as at May 18th 24 days wait so far

05-31-2006 Starts a discussion and suggest BG be boycotted.
i think this site should be seriously considered for a boycott for breach of terms
personally i waited 5 weeks for my first payout
my second payout to this date has taken 38 days and i am sill waiting
very bad for a site that has this much experience

he got paid 42 days over TOS, at the time BG was being inundated with spam and had been reported to paypal IMO that payment made at that time is good and should be taken as (TOS or reasonable time after)IMO

2)My complaint is that this po has given my personal information to 2 different members on different ocassions without first gaining my permission. Details to be found here in the thread about bgpaymail.

Email address and amount given for payment – no name address or phone number - so how is that personal information

What was posted about ianh’s payment does not contain any personal information and if it was personal why would gpbt leave it it, I’m sure they would have removed it straight away, just like they would remove an email address.

Ianh’s claim was rectified in June 2006. AWills complaint was put in the day she got paid and her payment was 3 days over.

Those two trivial claims were the only two that were valid on January 20th

So WHY was BGPM put on the Watch List with only 2 Complaints - for more traffic



Name: Pam M (Merged)
Date: January 31, 2007
June 10, 2006 ADDED

Name: Ian Henderson (Merged) I guess the 1st complaint is when he started the thread.
Date: February 7, 2007

and this one.

Name: annette wills
Date: May 21, 2006

So now after the explanation given by some experts, despite us being told repeatedly throughout the discussion that no one knows of when or what the complaints are except for admin & the complainants, it seems that the experts are trying to convince us that the merged are counted as two complaints.

So feel free to go and complaint about any site 5 times and you can have them on the watchlist in no time.

They call that CREDIBILITY.

NEWSFLASH.

Get PAID to BOYCOTT any site in 10 days.

Instructions: Put in a complaint and come back add to it each day and in 5 days
We put the site on the Watchlist.

Bonus: If you can encourage, entice a few others to do the same we will put
The site on the Boycott list in a jiffy.

But you know what

Name: Pam M (Merged)
Date: January 31, 2007
June 10, 2006 ADDED

Name: Ian Henderson (Merged) I guess the 1st complaint is when he started the thread.
Date: February 7, 2007

and one made.

Name: annette wills
Date: May 21, 2006


Still only give you 2 Complaints by Jan 20th. Should BGPM have been put on the watchlist regardless as to what happened or was going to happen.

NO, but it did bring in more traffic.

Then we go to Admins post where she says

That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by thoseon the BGPayMail forum.

So who are those?

AND

Submit a Complaint, Boycott a Program!
________________________________________
This is a quick note to remind our members that forum posts will not be taken into account when considering which programs to boycott.

Many thanks,
Rob

So why did Alora say that they were taken from the forum posts? Are they breaking their own rule to please a few mouthpieces for having brought traffic to GPTB?

And this below, I will never understand, who gave them that right other than the MOUTHPIECES.


[quote]The second reason, is that the only way we can boycott a program is if we receive ten complaints received through our submission form. E-mails, forum posts, and other forms of communication are not taken into account. It is therefore vitally important that members use the submission form wherever possible to submit their complaints.

The staff at the site privately discuss the program and its complaints, and in the absence of reasons preventing us from boycotting the site, that site will usually be boycotted

A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH MEMBERS SIGNATURES – SITES THAT BREAK PP’S AUP ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN’S SIGNATURE - PO’s SHOULD BEWARE OF THE SNAKEPIT CALLED GET PAID TO BOYCOTT

[fight4justice]

Quoting Alora

Please show me where I said complaints for a boycott were taken from forum posts. This has never been the case

Yet another of your own rule broken

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Re: BGPaymail
I've been following these debates about BGPM from the moment they were first started, 9 months ago? Until now all the constant bickering instead of frank discussion put me off from making my own comments, or a complaint. The more this goes on, however, and the more things that are coming into light, like the gag clause and the sudden influx of BGPM supporters where there was deafening silence before, has finally goaded me into action.

Originally Posted by bluedahlia View Post
I am a little baffled here. I was a member of this site, and when I take into account the number of emails I received in about a year, resulting in a couple of payouts, I cannot fathom the amounts some of these members are claiming they received.

I will admit I thought the gibberish was a game until I realized, it was meant to encourage members to do something with the search emails that were sent. But even taking into account, the successful deciphering of those messages, I still can't fathom the amounts claimed.

Can someone please explain. My curiosity is piqued.

This post is not meant as a put down at all. I'm just curious.

This baffles me too, I also was a member until late last year but ended up unsubbing because getting a single paid non-search e-mail once a fortnight was just not worth it. 2 cents a fortnight...?

I didn't do searches at all, in any program, until I found a couple of programs recently that clearly state on most pages that searches will be paid for as a regular viewed e-mail regardless of whether I actually search or not. I never did searches in BGPM and since I come from New Zealand (apparently not a Tier 1 country all of a sudden even though our close neighbour Australia is, go figure...) regular e-mails were few and far between. And unfortunately still are on most sites, hence my having to find some searches to do just to get at least 1 cent a day.

I can't remember exactly how long I was with BGPM, a year and a half maybe, give or take a month or so, and in that time I only managed to reach payout once, and received it with no problem at all, though it did take months to reach it (because of no searches). I also remember that payout was received just after Bill's PayPal account was frozen, paid to my PayPal account by someone who was not Bill. When I finally unsubbed I was still nowhere near the payout amount after more months of very, very few regular e-mails.

Another reason I quit was because I found Bill's, again, very, very few responses to genuine complaints on the BGPM forum downright rude and far from helpful. Lucky I never had reason to contact Bill in any way, I believe from observation that I probably would've been abused too. I didn't really take much notice of his rants in the e-mails, many PO's do that, usually the more unscrupulous ones though.

I believe BGPM should be boycotted and the longer this goes on the more other forum lurkers, like me, who have been sitting on the fence and reading all this will eventually make up their minds as the supporters of BGPM continually add more fuel to the complaints. It truly is more because of what they have inadvertantly revealed that helped me make up my mind. Good on ya, guys.

Tandall

AND NOW FOR TANDALL'S COMPLAINT COMPLETE WITH BLUE DAHLIA'S QUOTE

Name: Tanya Suelzle
Date: February 14, 2007
Comments: Copy of my GPTBoycott forum post that lists my complaint.

I've been following these debates about BGPM from the moment they were first started, 9 months ago? Until now all the constant bickering instead of frank discussion put me off from making my own comments, or a complaint. The more this goes on, however, and the more things that are coming into light, like the gag clause and the sudden influx of BGPM supporters where there was deafening silence before, has finally goaded me into action

"I am a little baffled here. I was a member of this site, and when I take into account the number of emails I received in about a year, resulting in a couple of payouts, I cannot fathom the amounts some of these members are claiming they received.

I will admit I thought the gibberish was a game until I realized, it was meant to encourage members to do something with the search emails that were sent. But even taking into account, the successful deciphering of those messages, I still can't fathom the amounts claimed.

Can someone please explain. My curiosity is piqued.

This post is not meant as a put down at all. I'm just curious."

This baffles me too, I also was a member until late last year but ended up unsubbing because getting a single paid non-search e-mail once a fortnight was just not worth it. 2 cents a fortnight...?

I didn't do searches at all, in any program, until I found a couple of programs recently that clearly state on most pages that searches will be paid for as a regular viewed e-mail regardless of whether I actually search or not. I never did searches in BGPM and since I come from New Zealand (apparently not a Tier 1 country all of a sudden even though our close neighbour Australia is, go figure...) regular e-mails were few and far between. And unfortunately still are on most sites, hence my having to find some searches to do just to get at least 1 cent a day.

I can't remember exactly how long I was with BGPM, a year and a half maybe, give or take a month or so, and in that time I only managed to reach payout once, and received it with no problem at all, though it did take months to reach it (because of no searches). I also remember that payout was received just after Bill's PayPal account was frozen, paid to my PayPal account by someone who was not Bill. When I finally unsubbed I was still nowhere near the payout amount after more months of very, very few regular e-mails.

Another reason I quit was because I found Bill's, again, very, very few responses to genuine complaints on the BGPM forum downright rude and far from helpful. Lucky I never had reason to contact Bill in any way, I believe from observation that I probably would've been abused too. I didn't really take much notice of his rants in the e-mails, many PO's do that, usually the more unscrupulous ones though.

I believe BGPM should be boycotted and the longer this goes on the more other forum lurkers, like me, who have been sitting on the fence and reading all this will eventually make up their minds as the supporters of BGPM continually add more fuel to the complaints. It truly is more because of what they have inadvertantly revealed that helped me make up my mind. Good on ya, guys.

Tandall

So you say no forum posts are used, do you Alora! It may say copy of my forum post, so what is the rule there, you emailed the poster and asked if you could use the post, is that how it works. I could easily pick a quote and write:-

Copy of my GPTBoycott forum post that lists my complaint that makes it right does it.

The post sounds like a review of what she's read in your circus, she has had no personal contact by either email or pm with Bill or Halexzo or Nikki when she WAS a member, but it suited your purpose to use the post.


You break your own rules over and over again. And it has gone PAST SAD.

A word of "Warning" "beware" of joining GET PAID TO BOYCOTT THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARD – CHECK OUT THE SITES BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH GOOGLE ADSENSE AND THE FORCED SEARCH (BY THEIR RULES) BEING ADVERTISED THROUGH MEMBERS SIGNATURES – SITES THAT BREAK PP’S AUP ADVERTISED THROUGH ADMIN’S SIGNATURE - PO’s SHOULD BEWARE OF THE SNAKEPIT CALLED GET PAID TO BOYCOTT

[fight4justice]

THIS SHOWS HOW EASY IT IS FOR A COUPLE OF DISGRUNTLED MEMBERS TO GATHER THEIR FRIENDS AND GET A SITE ON THE BOYCOTT LIST AND THE CIRCUS ALLOWS IT - GPTB DOES NOT VERIFY ANY COMPLAINTS WITH PO'S. I WOULD STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHO GAVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO WHAT THEY DO?

THEY ARE CLEANING UP GOOGLE ADSENSE WHICH, IN DOING SO, IS AN ADMISSION OF DOUBLE STANDARD AND FRAUD ON THEIR PART. SO SHOULD WE BELIEVE WHAT GPTBOYCOTT STANDS FOR!!!!!


Boycott BGPayMail!
BGPayMail is a paid e-mail program with over 9,000 members at the time of writing. The site promises between 2 and 10 cents per e-mail read, and a $3.00 payout (screenshot). The site also promises a number of bonuses for members, paid "at the sole discretion of the webmaster", as well as a bonus for each referral gained.
This site is boycotted for a number of reasons. The first reason, as detailed by our complaints below, is that the site is not complying with its Terms of Service and Privacy Policy (Terms Screenshot | Privacy Policy Screenshot). The terms require the site to pay eligible members within 30 days, "or a reasonable time after", yet it appears from our complaints that these terms are not being honoured in all cases. Perhaps more worryingly, the site has in the past, as detailed by our complaints below, disclosed personal information of members to third parties in breach of its own Privacy Policy. While it may be the case that this information is disclosed in order to pay members, the Privacy Policy clearly states that "the member's contact information is used to get in touch with the member when necessary", and that "we do not distribute to third parties any personally identifiable information".
The second reason BGPayMail is a boycotted site is the lack of response to genuine support questions or comments. Indeed, our complainants note that the webmaster is unresponsive, and when queries are responded to the response is "rude" and earnings are often confiscated simply because a question is asked. This lack of professionalism is our second ground for boycott.
The third reason BGPayMail is boycotted is that complaints about the site are routinely deleted from their forum, and a "gag clause" has been enacted against the site's members. In a poorly worded "addendum to the terms" (screenshot), it is provided that BGPayMail members may not make a complaint about the site at any other online forum, including GPTBoycott, before exhausting the "facilities provided" at BGPayMail (which, as previously noted, are at best flawed). Those who disobey these restrictions "will have their account deleted". While GPTBoycott would urge members to attempt to contact a site directly before making a complaint to us, such restrictive terms of service can have no place in the get-paid industry. "Gag" clauses such as this are of questionable legal and moral validity, and therefore constitute the third ground of boycott.
The following complaints detail far more problems than those simply listed above, and so it is strongly urged that our visitors take a moment to read the complaints below. On a quick glance one can see a number of other issues which could otherwise constitute a valid basis for boycotting this site.
Discuss this boycott at: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=115.


Name: annette wills
Date: May 21, 2006
Comments: paying out of terms. tos say 30 days payment received 33 days. others waiting longer. http://www.getpaidforum.com/forums/tinklyc...s_-t448373.html


Annette Wills (also a referral of Ianh)
Puts in a complaint that payment was 3 whole days late, lucky!!!!
Her complaint is made on May 21st, the day she gets paid and the day Bill sends out an email.

Apologies to those that their claims are being tooooo
slow, but, I am paying You interest, the same as I charge
You for unwarranted claims.
Also, those of You that do read this, please log into
Your account at least twice a months.

So her gripe is that she didn’t get the interest.

Please read the thread, just a few posts from a couple of the CIRCUS' mouthpieces and we have a discussion thread at boycott.

Easy isn’t it hijack a thread turn it around, throw in a few gripes by the recruiters of boycott and you have traffic at the circus.


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Name: Pam M (Merged)
Date: January 31, 2007
Comments: 1) BGPayMail should be considered for Boycott for the following reasons: Allows ads for Ponzis/MLM/HYIP as evidenced here by an ad sent for 12x12 Daily: http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?showt...125&st=1081

Complainant, does not state whether she is/was a member of BGPM.

1st link submitted is of the Gibberish thread, nothing about 12x12 daily in that page she refers to. Even if 12x12 daily was mentioned in that thread, there had been more than one surf site advertised on boycott all through the discussion and even worse ponzi and get rich schemes.

Disrespects members' privacy by permitting another member to post private information: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...0&post=#589

As for privacy!!!

20060610075522ca6aef818990 ianh Your payout (2nd) by h,6-10-06 cash -4.50000 01/04/2007 20:42
20060610075605ca6aef813104 ianh Cheques are too expensive cash 0.00000 06/10/2006 03:56
20060423170507ca6aef818890 ianh Payment processing fee cash -0.30000 06/10/2006 03:54
20051216172617ca6aef817706 ianh Paid Mail Earnings cash 8.92000 05/31/2006 16:07
20051220081000ca6aef815609 ianh Downline Earnings cash 0.67100 05/19/2006 01:00
20060203165457ca6aef810305 ianh Paid To Click Earnings cash 0.40000 05/09/2006 07:23
20060310110149ca6aef814431 ianh Your Payout (1st) cash -5.24000 03/10/2006 06:02
20060207182030ca6aef815190 ianh Payment processing fee cash -0.30000 03/10/2006 05:57
20051219001057ca6aef818543 ianh Referral Bonus (awills) cash 0.05000 12/18/2005 19:10
20051214012017ca6aef816376 ianh Sign-up Bonus cash 0.30000 12/13/2005 20:20

Only payment, username amount and date and if it was a breach I’m sure the mods would have edited it out.

Has been using PayPal as a payment option even though BGPayMail's account is no longer active as from/on June 3, 2006: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...225&post=#5 The member who was paid through PayPal on June 10, 2006 has indicated that his payment had been made by an intermediary account. Clearly the member was not asked for permission to give his personal information to another. http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...0&post=#592

LINK 1 – wil giving his opinion as to why Bill’s paypal had been frozen
LINK 2 – a repeat of ianh’s account payment info and payment made by Halexzo as Admin.

#934
01-25-2007, 18:49
nikki526

As to answer your question Ianh, at THAT time, and at THIS time for that matter, I did not have access to anyones account. Not once did I ever say that I had access to anyones account. I only stated that occassionally, I made a few payments for Bill. One does not need access to the account to send them a payment, Bill just had to send me an email address. The only information I ever received from Bill was for making payments to members who could not accept a credit card thru PP. Bill did not send me the money to do these payments before they were made. He would give me an email address and an amount to pay to it, thats it, no personal account info other than email address, and in most situations, I did not even know the persons first name unless I knew them personally already, before Bill giving me their email address The fees for this were included with my weekly invoice, or timesheet, however you want to look at it, and were repaid to me with my wages. I AM guilty of assuming that Bill had cleared transactions such as this with the member before asking me to do it. I do, however, know that most , if not all the BG members I paid were just happy to be able to get paid since they couldnt accept CC payments thru PayPal. No one's email address that was forwarded to me has ever been used since, nor do I even have a copy of all of them, unless I go thru my pp transaction history. I have no desire to look at those addresses. As far as I am considered, they are ancient history and I have no use for those paypal email addresses. I have done no such transaction for Bill in almost a year.

No big fuss was made when that statement was made, even by ianh, so what is the objection to Halexzo being admin at least members are getting paid.

On August 31, 2006 the WM responded to a non-receipt of payment question by advising the member had been paid through PayPal on August 12, 2006 although the WM's exisiting PayPal account would still have been under suspension/frozen. http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2028

admin
Aug 31 2006, 11:50 AM
Post #3

QUOTE(ATELAS @ Aug 31 2006, 08:53 AM)
hi
I am one of the ones who have been waiting for payment by paypal (I have requested a payout 3-4 month ago). I have recently updated my info to "check".
When WILL I be paid?

Thank you


Hmm, it seems like the mails are being eaten
Gremlins. I did send You 2 emails informing You
that at this tim there are no electronic cheques
transfers, to any country.
So, Your payout has been done by PayPal,
as that was Your payment processor preference.

And here is Your account info:
08/12/2006 09:48 Your payout (1st) -3.68000

It sometimes helps if You log into Your account
at least every 14 days:).

And yet another forum post being used for boycott how is the above rude?

Rude and unprofessional notes in emails as shown here: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showthread...24&post=#13 with special attention being paid to the ending. "No one will ever ask You to do anything, even to scratch Yourself or swat the fly sitting on Your nose, if You can see that far, that is.In case it does not affects You, please just ignore and delete. Without fear or favour or apology." This program needs to be boycotted A.S.A.P. Thank you.

Seems posts from any forums and any threads are allowed as complaints.

03-13-2006, 05:11

crframe
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: IL
Posts: 151

Re: Any views on BG Pay Mail
________________________________________
Belle,

Thank you VERY much for mentioning this and for speaking up for me. It means a lot and is appreciated. I did post about this at who-is-who and was posting mainly because I wanted help with my account balance being sent to Scotian - who needs it much more than I do - or an ad run for Scotian in case my account were to be deleted for daring to speak up about the abuse being handed out by a certain group there.

And, just so that everyone is clear - it was not Nikki, the forum manager and Bill's helper who deleted my posts and a whole complete thread of mine - it was Bill himself. Though he did allow a few of my posts and the posts tearing the heck out of me for speaking out to stand. Impressive, huh? And even more impressive were the few threads opened right after mine was deleted going on about criticism and working together, blaming, arguing, beating dead horses, not speaking out when we are cranky...

I don't regret a single word that I posted. I meant every single word that I wrote and the only apologies that I would offer are that I might not have separated my comments well enough and that some people might have thought that I was addressing them when I had moved on.

I have every intention on earth of being vocal about this and about the abuse this small group hands out to anyone who dares to disagree with them or dares to question Bill or BGPaymail. There is NO excuse for the way they treat people and there never will be. (guess she saw her chance when ianh put in a complaint and belle helped on gpt coercing)

The notes in the emails irritate me, as well. I can't say that these were addressed to me, but they found their way into the emails (which were sent to everyone) immediately after some of my posts and directly reference some comments that I made. Hopefully I am just being paranoid WITHOUT reason.

From the emails:
"Also, the Terms that anyone joined under are there to
be read and abided by them, You, and of course, me.
If, You do find that Your account is affected, it is only
the reflection of Your actions that You have chosen to
take. I too like to play.
As far as I am concerned, work is work, no matter
what kind, be it just clicking without thinking, or,
doing that bit extra, because I am sure that the hard
work and sweat will reflect somewhere, sometime,
even when You least expect it."
AND:
"My special Thanks will be communicated to those
that deserve them (it).
And, by the way, everyone at BGPayMail
IS treated the same, unless proven otherwise.
But, as in any Corporation, not all employees,
directors or secretaries, earn the same, be it
salaries or bonuses, so, they are paid or given
to those that deserve them.
Of course, it is based on self initiative,
so maybe that have something to do with what
You are earning here? No one will ever ask You
to do anything, even to scratch Yourself or swat
the fly sitting on Your nose, if You can see that far,
that is.
In case it does not affects You, please just ignore
and delete . Without fear or favour or apology."
But, like I said, I could just be seeing things that aren't there.
Belle, if you saw all of the posts and other thread, any thoughts on this to balance my perception out?

Anyway, sorry for the book. I'm still kinda hot about this whole issue right now. Thank you, Belle, for speaking up on my behalf, I do appreciate it!

Take care,
Cindi2
crframe

#934
01-25-2007, 18:49 nikki526
I shall admit, that the deletion of the threads that Cindi references to was the wrong way to go about things, and I did apologize. That was my employer telling me to do something , and like with all jobs, subordination of an employee was just not the right thing to do. Had I thought it out better, I would have told Bill that locking the thread would have been better. But then again, I was trying to not get personally tangled up in an issue that I was no part of. I was no part of the "attack" on Scotian, I was no part of the click fraud issue discussion that quickly escalated into an ugly mess. But it was my job to kep the forum clean. Bill wanted the whole forum deleted, but I thought I could at least try to make things better and not let things get ugly again. And that is what I attempted to do. I saw soon after the threads were deleted, that what I was trying to do was not working.

Seems to have all been a vendetta on crframe's part because of that thread being deleted.
She is telling everyone (part bolded by me) that Bill himself deleted the thread. And here Pam is taking her side and believing everyword by citing this as a reason to boycott, simple.

2) BGPayMail does NOT permit it's members to freely discuss the program without fear of losing their membership, as evidenced here: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.p...;postcount=1132. This member's account was deleted at the BGPM Forum because the Admin (halexzo) did not approve of the member's conduct at the GPTBoycott forum. The same member's program account was also suspended, around the same time, although the reason(s) were not given.

If someone was throwing that much mud towards you & your program because you have a vendetta what would you do.

Clearly what I see here is someone complaining after having been involved in a thread and taking sides, NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE has been given or information whether she has/is a member & all of the reasons come from FORUM POSTS.

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Name: Peter Barnes
Date: February 1, 2007
Comments: The general abusive attitude of the members in the forum and of the owner himself when people ask for help is beyond bad. Members are "charged" for what may be simple mistakes and then ridiculed when they ask why. Yes they should read the rules but the rules change (sometimes without warning or notification) and the gibberish that is being used to justify actions is unconscionable. "Representatives" of the owner are allowed to humiliate and abuse other members and it has been proven that personal information in the form of paypal e-mail accounts has been given out by the owner to other members so that payments can be made. This is done because the owner's own account was locked by paypal but of course it's always paypal's fault since the owner did nothing. The defense of the program by it's supporters uses the age old excuse "He pays" which implies that money can buy anything including the integrity of some people.

Again not sure if this is a member speaking from personal experience or taking quotes from the thread.

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Name: Sarah S
Date: February 1, 2007
Comments: I think Bgpaymail should be boycotted because,
#1 Owner gives bonus's to members that do searches.....sent out email that told us the search winners.... so promotes clickfraud.
#2 Sends ads for illegal ponzi's and other illegal sites and banners for same on BG site.
#3 Members deleted for discussing progam at other forums. Doesnt matter if they didnt do it as to the rules of BG. Rules of the forum that they are doing it at are the rules that apply.
#4 Breaking paypals rules by paying members using another persons paypal account .... this could put members paypal accounts at risk if paypal finds out.
#5 Program representatives showed lack of manners and respect for others while in your forum. Also questioned the administrative integrity of your forum and site in a blatent attempt to destroy its reputation.
#6 A new rule was added to BG forum Feb 1, 2007 saying members will be punished if they dont follow BGs rules in other forums. BGpaymail needs to be boycotted immediately! Thank you.

1.If a member or was a member another who hasn't worked out the gibberish.....................
2.How many compared to what's been advertised on GPTB?
3.Pardon, please explain.
4.Member paying is an Admin.
5.Did GPTB have a reputation to detroy?
6.Read the Addendum.
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Name: Larry Elwood
Date: February 2, 2007
Comments: program promotes click fraud,recently enacted clause in forum and now possibly program preventing members from going outside of program and forum to lodge complaints,violation of pp user policy and continued violation by paying members to pay other members for work done in BGpaymail and personal attacks by so called representatives to people in the forum and against GPTBoycott itself.

Ahhhhhhh, were you ever a member? Was it not you who call BG supporters VULTURES.

And this about Bill

He's no massiah,he is no god or leader,he is a bad owner and manager of a program that is dying and he doesn't have enough sense to stick a fork in it and call it done. He will milk every penny he can out of the mindless drones he has created until those who are left see the truth and leave the program as others have done.

And by this you must mean you are involved in the reporting to PP

Merlin2307 03-24-2007,

Just for your information, Wil was not the only individual who reported you to paypal for violation of its AUP

And the rest of your complaints is addressed in my comments to trulyfair’s complaint.

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Name: Joseph Burke
Date: February 4, 2007
Comments: PO is general rude or unresponsive to questions, comments, complaints. Removes posts from forum and deletes members, confiscates earnings for any or no reason. Runs his site like a dictator. Rewards boosters of the site with additional earnings and penalizes those who do not have good things to say.

Is this personal experience from a member or again, opinions from the thread, was he personally penalized.

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Name: Cindi Frame
Date: February 6, 2007
Comments: http://www.gptboycott.com/forum/showpost.p...;postcount=1164 This is a link to where I commented on the admin of the program's forum admitting that I was deleted for speaking out about this program here at this forum. Members have been paid late. I was not one of them, but I was paid out of turn, without requesting payout, while others sat waiting and asking where their money was. The PO of this program incentivizes searches with monetary rewards for sending in the results from valid searches. (Screenshot included shows the 42 cent reward that I was paid for doing this) This PO is also extremely unprofessional, and allows his "representatives" to be unprofessional and rude as well. He frequently does not answer support emails or support questions in his forum, and when he does, is often rude without giving a straight answer. This PO also has a very restrictive "gag-clause" and deletes members from the program for bringing any concerns or problems to other arenas. This was done to me. He has deleted others by mistake, been caught making the mistake, kept the ex-member's money, and refused to rectify the situation. This PO sends reprimands, via paid emails to the entire member base, directed at individual members whom he is unhappy with. He has shared numerous members private info with random members of his program without the consent of the members who had their info distributed. This includes giving payout and processor information to random members to make Paypal payments for him after his Paypal account was frozen. He does not check links that are sent out in paid emails, and MANY of the links have been found to be flooded with 0-Iframes and viruses. This PO makes groundless threats of legal action, through his "leagle eagles", against anyone who offers criticism of his program. The forum administrator is allowed to invisibly edit posts at the forum, and the PO deletes any concerns, questions, or problems that are mentioned in his forum. Altogether, this is a badly run operation and any potential members should be strongly advised to steer clear of this abusive PO and his poorly run program. No one should be treated the way this PO treats people.

Now Cindi we know has a vendetta and was a member.

What were those searches about, she never worked out the gibberish did she?

This includes giving payout and processor information to random members to make Paypal payments for him

There she goes exaggerating again. info which are necessary for payment given to admin, Nikki at one time and now Halexzo the current admin and the only other time was what is posted in the closed thread about ianh’s payment and that did not contain anything personal other than username, date amount.

o-iFrame another one where she makes out thousands were sent, now being such a forum poster at different forums where they have a list of reported sites with o-iframes, I would have thought she would have reported it if it was that bad, I’ve looked on her beloved WIW BG is not on that list, they have a list on gptb and on gpt so I find it strange that this complainant would not have reported it, if it was as bad as she’s making out and the only reason would be IT WAS NOT.

Posts being deleted on the forum her biggest grudge was that one of her post was deleted and since then has brought into every thread you could find online in any forum about BG. Other posts deleted were by two members to prove a point so they say but really could it be just a ploy to make BG forum look bad. Posts in the current thread about boycott forum are deleted because they were inciteful.

As for threats about legal action are they groundless after the mud that’s been thrown at Bill, BGPM and it’s members. Where were the mods of the forum.

Name: Ian Henderson (Merged)
Date: February 7, 2007
Comments: 1) payment out of terms. i have now been waiting 32 days for payment on this site. this is the second payment that i have problems with the last one took about 5 weeks.

1st payout – 37 days approx - TOS = 30 days or a reasonable time after.
2nd payout as at May 18th 24 days wait so far

05-31-2006 Starts a discussion and suggest BG be boycotted.

i think this site should be seriously considered for a boycott for breach of terms
personally i waited 5 weeks for my first payout
my second payout to this date has taken 38 days and i am sill waiting
very bad for a site that has this much experience

he got paid 48 days over TOS, at the time BG was being inundated with spam and had been reported to paypal IMO that payment made at that time is good and should be taken as (TOS or reasonable time after)IMO

2)My complaint is that this po has given my personal information to 2 different members on different ocassions without first gaining my permission. Details to be found here in the thread about bgpaymail.

Email address and amount given for payment – no name address or phone number - so how is that personal information

What was posted about ianh’s payment does not contain any personal information and if it was personal why would gpbt leave it it, I’m sure they would have removed it straight away, just like they would remove an email address.

This complaint is the only legitimate one and AWill’s Complaint who happens to be
Ianh’s referral are the only two legitimate complaints at the time BGPM was put on the watchlist. Ianh’s could have been resolved much sooner if he had replied to Bill’s emails.

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Name: David Barstow
Date: February 10, 2007
Comments: This guy may be a great payer (wouldn't know since I haven't been paid) but he treats most of us members like crap. He sends out something he calls "Gibberish" but in reality it's slams against members who speak up. He pays some "without asking" - usually the same some over and over - while the rest of us wait and earn for him but never see a dime. If you complain on his forum, you are ridiculed and banned especially if you don't behave like a good little member and stop complaining immediately.

Again not sure whether this is a member, sounds like a member, did Bill treat this member like crap? Is that what the gibberish is about? He may pay some over and over but is it for clicking or working out the gibberish. Has he been ridiculed and banned or is that just an opinion from the thread.
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Name: anon
Date: February 11, 2007
Comments: The PO gave my email addy to some one else to pay me without asking me first .( had changed my Payment info to egold due to the PO losong his PP).

Wrote him several about some questions I had but never got an answer.

Anon/Thirza I already replied in one of my post, anyone who doesn’t feel comfortable about being paid by Halexzo should not accept payment you can do that with Paypal and contact Bill or pm Halexzo. Now how can Bill verify that this complainant did write him without a username.

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Name: Steven Watts
Date: February 12, 2007
Comments: Having read the topic in this forum, I find myself wondering why some people get paid almost on a regular basis when they don't even request payout while people like me have to wait usually far longer than we should. The program owner obviously pays his "favorites" first and if a complaint is posted on their forum it mysteriously "disappears". Unless and until the PO starts paying in order of request and THEN makes unrequested payouts this program should be boycotted.


Mostly same comments as all of the above.

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Name: Justin
Date: February 12, 2007
Comments: Why would any PO allow his forum to be run by the type of people running the BG Pay Mail forum? It reflects badly on the program and the owner himself. The way they treat people should not be allowed and if the owner isn't responsible than he should be. I've quit this program because of the lack of help or even decent responses on the forum. Owners who provide forums should take an active part in what is done on them. It's part of what being a "professional" is all about.


Again sounds like opinion taken from those against BG but is it a member?

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Name: Tanya Suelzle
Date: February 14, 2007
Comments: Copy of my GPTBoycott forum post that lists my complaint.

I've been following these debates about BGPM from the moment they were first started, 9 months ago? Until now all the constant bickering instead of frank discussion put me off from making my own comments, or a complaint. The more this goes on, however, and the more things that are coming into light, like the gag clause and the sudden influx of BGPM supporters where there was deafening silence before, has finally goaded me into action

"I am a little baffled here. I was a member of this site, and when I take into account the number of emails I received in about a year, resulting in a couple of payouts, I cannot fathom the amounts some of these members are claiming they received.

I will admit I thought the gibberish was a game until I realized, it was meant to encourage members to do something with the search emails that were sent. But even taking into account, the successful deciphering of those messages, I still can't fathom the amounts claimed.

Can someone please explain. My curiosity is piqued.

This post is not meant as a put down at all. I'm just curious."

This baffles me too, I also was a member until late last year but ended up unsubbing because getting a single paid non-search e-mail once a fortnight was just not worth it. 2 cents a fortnight...?

I didn't do searches at all, in any program, until I found a couple of programs recently that clearly state on most pages that searches will be paid for as a regular viewed e-mail regardless of whether I actually search or not. I never did searches in BGPM and since I come from New Zealand (apparently not a Tier 1 country all of a sudden even though our close neighbour Australia is, go figure...) regular e-mails were few and far between. And unfortunately still are on most sites, hence my having to find some searches to do just to get at least 1 cent a day.

I can't remember exactly how long I was with BGPM, a year and a half maybe, give or take a month or so, and in that time I only managed to reach payout once, and received it with no problem at all, though it did take months to reach it (because of no searches). I also remember that payout was received just after Bill's PayPal account was frozen, paid to my PayPal account by someone who was not Bill. When I finally unsubbed I was still nowhere near the payout amount after more months of very, very few regular e-mails.

Another reason I quit was because I found Bill's, again, very, very few responses to genuine complaints on the BGPM forum downright rude and far from helpful. Lucky I never had reason to contact Bill in any way, I believe from observation that I probably would've been abused too. I didn't really take much notice of his rants in the e-mails, many PO's do that, usually the more unscrupulous ones though.

I believe BGPM should be boycotted and the longer this goes on the more other forum lurkers, like me, who have been sitting on the fence and reading all this will eventually make up their minds as the supporters of BGPM continually add more fuel to the complaints. It truly is more because of what they have inadvertantly revealed that helped me make up my mind. Good on ya, guys.

Tandall

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03-29-2007, 15:49

Please show me where I said complaints for a boycott were taken from forum posts. This has never been the case.

That's two, if you're counting. Which leaves the 3 complaints that seem to be picked out by those on the BGPayMail forum

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Re: BGPaymail
I've been following these debates about BGPM from the moment they were first started, 9 months ago? Until now all the constant bickering instead of frank discussion put me off from making my own comments, or a complaint. The more this goes on, however, and the more things that are coming into light, like the gag clause and the sudden influx of BGPM supporters where there was deafening silence before, has finally goaded me into action.

Originally Posted by bluedahlia View Post
I am a little baffled here. I was a member of this site, and when I take into account the number of emails I received in about a year, resulting in a couple of payouts, I cannot fathom the amounts some of these members are claiming they received.

I will admit I thought the gibberish was a game until I realized, it was meant to encourage members to do something with the search emails that were sent. But even taking into account, the successful deciphering of those messages, I still can't fathom the amounts claimed.

Can someone please explain. My curiosity is piqued.

This post is not meant as a put down at all. I'm just curious

This baffles me too, I also was a member until late last year but ended up unsubbing because getting a single paid non-search e-mail once a fortnight was just not worth it. 2 cents a fortnight...?

I didn't do searches at all, in any program, until I found a couple of programs recently that clearly state on most pages that searches will be paid for as a regular viewed e-mail regardless of whether I actually search or not. I never did searches in BGPM and since I come from New Zealand (apparently not a Tier 1 country all of a sudden even though our close neighbour Australia is, go figure...) regular e-mails were few and far between. And unfortunately still are on most sites, hence my having to find some searches to do just to get at least 1 cent a day.

I can't remember exactly how long I was with BGPM, a year and a half maybe, give or take a month or so, and in that time I only managed to reach payout once, and received it with no problem at all, though it did take months to reach it (because of no searches). I also remember that payout was received just after Bill's PayPal account was frozen, paid to my PayPal account by someone who was not Bill. When I finally unsubbed I was still nowhere near the payout amount after more months of very, very few regular e-mails.

Another reason I quit was because I found Bill's, again, very, very few responses to genuine complaints on the BGPM forum downright rude and far from helpful. Lucky I never had reason to contact Bill in any way, I believe from observation that I probably would've been abused too. I didn't really take much notice of his rants in the e-mails, many PO's do that, usually the more unscrupulous ones though.

I believe BGPM should be boycotted and the longer this goes on the more other forum lurkers, like me, who have been sitting on the fence and reading all this will eventually make up their minds as the supporters of BGPM continually add more fuel to the complaints. It truly is more because of what they have inadvertantly revealed that helped me make up my mind. Good on ya, guys.

Tandall

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Name: Deborah Walley
Date: February 15, 2007
Comments: bill refuses to use paypal but still manages to make payments through paypal bill gives members info to other members bill gives even more info to even more members bill does not pay all his debts bill deletes or suspends members that complain bill sends what appears to be abusive mails to his member base if things don't go the way he likes bill refuses to follow the rules the rest of us are expected to follow, but demands that everyone follow all of his very vague and unfair rules. bill won't even address a members complaint, he sends his representatives to deal with the problems and they always make the situation worse. bill ands his reps are very rude to anyone who does not agree with them, they lie, twist facts, reveal personal info about people they are angry with.

Payment – addressed in some of the above complaint.
gives even more info to even more members - lie
Sends what appears – hmmm complainant not sure
bill ands his reps are very rude to anyone who does not agree with them, they lie, twist facts – sounds more like gptb supporters.



Name: Cathy Williams
Date: February 18, 2007
Comments: This program owner threatens people on his forum. He basically says if you don't do what he wants, he'll get even. The most recent was a "request" from "Bill" to a member of another forum to delete all posts about him on the second forum or he would continue to harrass the person on his forum with his silly gibberish filled posts. That is hardly a mark of a responsible "businessman." If he posts that kind of insulting stuff on his forum and in e-mails he sends, something should be done.

Again, whether this is a member or a gptb supporter, we’ll never know and sound like a review from reading the thread.

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Name: Robert Nandal
Date: February 19, 2007
Comments: This PO and his representatives show a total lack of professionalism.Treat anyone who disagrees with deleteion of their account and bashing in this forum. This is uncalled for and this PO and site need to be boycotted ASAP. Also for using other peoples Paypal accounts to pay members when his is frozen for violating of PayPal's AUP.

Proof that Bill’s account was FROZEN for violating PP’s AUP does anyone have that?
The rest is addressed somewhere up there.


Name: siobahn
Date: February 19, 2007
Comments: The owner is rude and immature and makes a lot of bad rules to say he will delete members if they complain or ask questioins at other forums. He pays his favorite members with no request and pays other members late. And when he pays late he always try to blame it on lame excuses. Too many double standardss with this site it needs to be boycottted.


Yes he did but the complainant mustn’t have read the whole addendum

Any member of BGPayMail will be required to use the services provided to them in the event of their dispute or complaint against BGPayMail, and are required to exhaust the channels provided on the site for such purposes.
Be it the Forum, Chat Room , or email, in regards of gripes, problems, or anything regarding their BGPayMail account or membership, and will have to use those facilities provided to amicable solve their 'whatever'.
If, by some reason it is not possible to solve the problem, then they can try any other forum.
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Name: Winifred
Date: February 20, 2007
Comments: BGPAYMAIL should be boycotted because the P.O. HAS LOST HIS MARBLES!! Visit the forum and check the posts made by *admin* http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?&...2483&st=182 On top of that: 1) Sends out ads for Ponzis, HYIPs and various other scams. 2) Gives members information to others to post on forums. 3) Uses another admin's PP account to pay members as his was frozen in June 2006 (He now refuses to do business with PP. funny haha!). 4) Has added GAG RULES to the TOS and forum. 5) Official representatives are rude and do not present themselves well. People need to be warned about this FOOL/his cohorts and boycotting BGPAYMAIL is one way to let them know the program has MANY bad issues.

Please check the so called GAG RULES. Is/was this a member.

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Name: KiowaT
Date: February 21, 2007
Comments: Insults and threats from the so called "businessman" and his entourage of "skirts" for daring to ask for assistance on his forum are much more common than any helpful response. Posts are deleted and members are suspended or even banned for complaining about things that do NOT get fixed. His "gibberish" is used to insult people in e-mails to the entire membership and he DOES NOT PAY as he says he will. Some members are paid repeatedly (like Halexo who's been paid 38 times according to her) while others of us have to wait and wait to get TO payment and then wait even longer TO be paid. On top of that he's making payments to people who didn't even REQUEST it while those of us who DID request are not. I'm glad I quit this program with only a measly 2.00 in my account. It took me two years to get there and I am sure I'd never be one of the "lucky" few who got paid randomly. It took me almost 2 months to get paid the last time with NONE of the promised interest he swears he will pay.


Has Bill not paid this member, if it is/was a member? Quit the site with $2 in account. Took 2 years to get there, took almost 2 mths to get paid the last time when was the last time and was interest promised then?
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Name: Wil
Date: February 22, 2007
Comments: Here are my complaints about BGPayMail, its owner, Bill Gazo: 1. BGPayMail sends ads for ponzi scams, as well as Adsense scammers, and is involved in search engine click fraud by providing bonuses (incentives) to members who provide him with evidence of their complete searches. 2. Bill has threatened to delete members who say things about BGPayMail that he doesn't like. In a number of cases, including my own, he has suspended or deleted members accounts for these reasons. BGPayMail has a rule in its Terms of Service that says any member who posts a complaint about BGPayMail on any forum other than the BGPayMail forum, will have their account deleted and will lose their earnings. 3. Bill has also threatened to take legal action against people, myself included, who post complaints or criticisms about either himself or about BGPayMail, as well as making a number of unsubstantiated accusations against them. 4. While Bill, his representatives, and a few of his supporters demand proof of the criticisms, observations, and accusations made regarding BGPayMail, Bill has threatened legal action against anyone who uses information from the BGPayMail website to offer as evidence. It it is clear from these sorts of threats that Bill has very limited knowlege of the laws regarding either defamation or copyright, and is using these threats as a form of intimidation to silence those who say things he doesn't like. 5. Bill, either personally or through his representatives, violated the privacy of several members. These violations include posting members' account information, including earnings amounts, payment dates, etc. He has also posted members' personal details, including place of residence. 6. Bill violates members' privacy by giving their email addresses to at least one other member (possibly others) so that the member can make payments via Paypal on Bill's behalf, due to his Paypal account being frozen. 7. While there are innumerable examples of Bill's immature, unethical, and unprofessional behaviour towards both his members and members of the GPT community in general (essentially, anybody who says anything he doesn't like), some of the most recent examples have been posted in a single threat at the BGPayMail forum: http://bgpaymail.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2483


This from someone, who joins sites multiple times without informing the PO, report sites to PP, falsifies documents and accuses other sites of advertising ponzi etc,,, While they are advertised right under his nose. See all of the above comments.
Unethical and unprofessional is what this complainant is
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Name: Halo
Date: March 5, 2007
Comments: I had been waiting for 3 weeks for my payment from this program. Normally it wouldn't be a problem except I was seeing a lot of people posting that they got paid sometimes 2 and 3 times in that same few weeks. Considering it took me over a year to get to 3.00 I wonder how that can happen. I asked on the forum and the post was deleted almost immediately. But not before I was told by several people that I had no right to ask because he was "still within terms" and that I was too stupid to be paid if I didn't know the difference between 3 weeks and 30 days. I e-mailed the owner and he deducted .50 from my account for asking a question that could have been answered on the forum. No response to my e-mail just a deduction and a "warning" note on my account. Now I'm not at payout anymore so my request was deleted too. The owner lets his pet members be rude and cruel on the forum and doesn't care about those of us who were working hard for him. I ended up quitting because I know I'll never get paid.

Funny how everyone who has said they complained on the forum, that the post has been deleted isn’t it and they’ve all quit. Now if they've quit why not use their real name or username. So how did gptb verify all these claims.

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Name: Massimo
Date: March 25, 2007
Comments: I request my payment but webmaster deduct mt 0.50 and don't pay me, scam

03/26/2007 19:00 Downline Earnings 0.18000
03/24/2007 16:45 Paid Mail Earnings 2.31000
03/24/2007 03:29 Wrong claim-shot 73c-24-3-07 -0.50000
03/07/2007 16:38 Referral Bonus (axxxxx) 0.05000
02/25/2007 18:10 Referral Bonus (sxxxxxxx) 0.05000
01/26/2007 12:08 Referral Bonus (pxxxxxxx) 0.05000
01/18/2007 15:49 Referral Bonus (sxxxxxxxxxxxi77) 0.05000
01/15/2007 07:12 Referral Bonus (sxxxxxxxx76) 0.05000
12/20/2006 10:18 Referral Bonus (axxxx391) 0.05000

What are the Minimum Payout Requirements For Free Members?

A Minimum Payment requirement of $3 is set for free members. THIS $3 MUST be earned by PERSONAL EFFORT by reading the email advertisements sent to You. This $3 CANNOT and DOES NOT include any signup or referral bonuses. This is what You alone have earned by supporting the advertisements seen here at BGPayMail.

Any Signup Bonus You may receive will be paid along with Your first eligible cashout of $3. Referral Bonuses will ONLY be paid if they are 75% active and have at least earned 50 cents for themselves, on their own personal effort.

Any BONUSES, ARE JUST THAT, Bonuses, and are payable at the SOLE discretion of the webmaster, namely, the standing of Your account, Your support of those that are doing business with BGPayMail, or support the member or the site.

Non-Qualifying Redemption Requests cost You 50 cents!
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How is a PO supposed to fight these accusations when he’s not given the information to enable him to verify whether the complainants are in fact members or ever were apart from the known ones.

Rob and Alora state that no forum posts are taken into consideration for boycotting
And yet most of them are either from forum posts specially Tandall’s and Pam’s or opinions made from the threads you have to wonder whether they are complaints from GPTB supporters.

GPTB only had two legitimate complaints by the 20th Jan, one was only 3 days over TOS but as stated by Alora was allowed to stand to make up the numbers and yet they broke their own rules of 5 complaints and you are on the watchlist.

Rob and Alora state that Advertisement was not one of the reasons and yet most of the complainants state ponzi ^ scam advertising which GPTB had been doing for years


So in this case GPTB has broken many of it’s own rules in boycotting BGPM


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[fight4justice]

name: Rob Sxxxxx
username: N/A
subject_type: Other
bquestion_type: GPTBoycott Proposal

message_type: Dear webmaster,
I write to you on behalf of the staff at GPTBoycott.Com, regarding the
prospect of a mutually beneficial partnership between our site, and
BG PayMail.
GPTBoycott.Com is a website owned and maintained by myself and a small team
of colleagues, with the sole aim of weeding out the scams within the
get-paid industry. While it is accepted that we cannot police every corner
of the industry, it is fair to say we have had a significant impact since
our induction in 2000. Back then, the site was formed by myself, Rob Sxxxxx,
and another disgruntled member of many fraudulent companies, Keith Cxxxxxxx.
However, he moved onto bigger things, so now I am joined by two other
administrators, DAzHiredGun and Aloralyric, as well as two fantastic
moderators in Taff and Lexie.
Our website aims to support members, advertisers, as well as webmasters of
get-paid programs. Our website is also heavily reliant on industry support,
which is why I write to you today.
On behalf of the staff at GPTBoycott.Com, I would like to propose that a
support folder for your program is opened within the GPTBoycott Discussion
Forum. This would not only allow you to be closer to your members, but also
allow any general questions or queries to be aired in public. In return, all
we ask is that you visit the forum often (once a day if possible), and post
site news and updates within your forum.
We would also like to ask you to support GPTBoycott.Com, and the work we do
which benefits the whole industry, by linking to your forum within e-mails,
and/or on your website. Indeed, if you would like to support GPTBoycott.Com
in another way, be it through advertising, linkage, or financial support,
this would be most appreciated by everyone at the site.
I am writing this message to you because we genuinely do want to make a
difference within this industry. While we have made small gains year upon
year, we want to make real progress in 2004, which is why for the first time
in four years, we are reviewing our whole boycott procedure. This is in
order to ensure even more rigorously that only genuinely dishonest programs
are boycotted, and that existing boycotts are not unnecessary. This has
already started, in the form of the "Dead List" for formerly boycotted
programs, which are no longer in operation. In the works, we have plans to
develop a watch list, for programs which do not yet warrant a full boycott,
but in which members should exercise caution.
We sincerely hope you and your program can help support GPTBoycott continue
the good start it has made in the last four years, and aid us in our quest
to provide long-term solutions to the great problems within the get-paid
industry. If you feel able to help, be it through financial contributions or
even just by donating some banner space, please contact me on my personal
e-mail address, at robxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com. I am also available to chat via
MSN Messenger on that address, if you would prefer to discuss matters in
real time.

Many thanks for reading this far, and your support,
Rob Sxxxxx, on behalf of the staff at GPTBoycott.Com.

How many of those emails are sent out, to how many site PO’s. Many, may have donated including Bill at one time. Do they even ask what the money is being used for?

Were those donations ever used for the good of the PTR Industry? Or did they just end up in the Founders pocket?

Surely if they were serious and truthful about their intentions (as good as it may sound above) about the Industry, should they not have used the donation moneys/contributions and money from the ads, to fix the Industry. Surely it cannot all be used for hosting the forum as we’ve been told that is only a pittance. So in all those years Rob, where did the money go, was it set aside to help out those sites that were not scams and found themselves in trouble. Did you even think of, perhaps investing that money and paying members of sites, that had reached payout, a percentage of their earnings after you boycott those sites? Did you ever think of paying moderators, (unbiased ones, those that no longer belong or own sites), a wage for what they do?

You Rob, seem to be the biggest fraud online under the disguise of PTR protector, did all the money from ponzi advertising and donations and contributions simply go to your living expenses and studies?

Could all those be the reason why Bill did not contribute? Could that be why you allowed your loudmouths free reign to throw all the mud they could against BGPayMail?

I think it’s about time PO’s stood up to you and demanded where all their Contributions went, do you ever sent them a report of how the money was spent? If not, I would seriously advise them to question YOU.

1. What are you set up as? You certainly are not a Charity Organisation.
2. Donations/contributions are they declared as such to the payment processor?
3. Do you issue receipts to the donors so they can claim it on their taxes?
4. Do you declare those donations in your Taxes, not sure what the procedures are there for donations and
contributions but perhaps Merlin could help you in those matters?
5. Do you issue the donors with financial reports?

That will be all for now and hope you can give us some answers.



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This post has been edited by fight4justice: Apr 19 2007, 01:37 PM

[fight4justice]

Dear webmaster,

I am writing on behalf of GPTBoycott.Com, a site which I co-founded back in 2000 to help inform PTR members about how to avoid being scammed. For seven years the site has continued to provide information about fraudulent programs, and has provided a place for open and frank discussion (our forum has over 9,000 members).

Beg to differ, open YES but frank discussion definitely NOT.
Members: 9,250, Active Members: 660
Makes you wonder how active, I only see the main posters which amounts to maybe 10 active members and that’s being generous. As for fraudulent, people who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stone.

It is our belief that the work we do benefits members, advertisers and webmasters within the PTR industry alike. While making members aware of the scams, we also seek to ensure that advertisers are fairly treated and that honest webmasters are praised for the way they run their programs. We have over many years helped many thousands of members and visitors to make informed choices about the programs they participate in.

How do you make members aware of scams when you advertise scams and even refer members to them?

Our work can not continue without industry support. I am writing to politely ask for your support. By linking, or sending ads to GPTBoycott (http://www.gptboycott.com), you would not only provide a useful resource for your members - helping them to avoid scams, but would show that your site supports the aims which we have for the industry - fairness and integrity.

Fairness and integrity????????

Some linking options are available at http://www.gptboycott.com/helpgptb/, should you care to take a look, though I would welcome discussion about any support your site may be able to offer us. Needless to say any such support would be recognised and thanked at our site.

Would the discussion about support be when the financial donation is requested now?

And at those prices that would be a generous donation in itself, wouldn’t it,

Banner Impressions
1. 35,000 for $30
2. 70,000 for $50

Time-Limited Banner Rotation
1. 30 days for $30
2. 60 days for $50
3. 100 days for $80

not to mention buying a title

$10.00 - 50.00 = Sponsor Associate
$50.00 - 200.00 = Patron Associate
$200.00 + = Benefactor Associate

GPTBoycott is owned and maintained out of the good-will of the staff who work here, and is not a profit-making venture.

Give me break


If you have any questions I would be happy to answer them by e-mail or otherwise, please let me know.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards,
Rob, GPTBoycott.Com

How many of those emails are sent out, to how many site PO’s. Many, may have donated including Bill at one time. Do they even ask what the money is being used for?

Were those donations ever used for the good of the PTR Industry? Or did they just end up in the Founders pocket?

Surely if they were serious and truthful about their intentions (as good as it may sound above) about the Industry, should they not have used the donation moneys/contributions and money from the ads, to fix the Industry. Surely it cannot all be used for hosting the forum as we’ve been told that is only a pittance. So in all those years Rob, where did the money go, was it set aside to help out those sites that were not scams and found themselves in trouble. Did you even think of, perhaps investing that money and paying members of sites, that had reached payout, a percentage of their earnings after you boycott those sites? Did you ever think of paying moderators, (unbiased ones, those that no longer belong or own sites), a wage for what they do?

You Rob, seem to be the biggest fraud online under the disguise of PTR protector, did all the money from ponzi advertising and donations and contributions simply go to your living expenses and studies?

Could all those be the reason why Bill did not contribute? Could that be why you allowed your loudmouths free reign to throw all the mud they could against BGPayMail?

I think it’s about time PO’s stood up to you and demanded where all their Contributions went, do you ever sent them a report of how the money was spent? If not, I would seriously advise them to question YOU.

1. What are you set up as? You certainly are not a Charity Organisation.
2. Donations/contributions are they declared as such to the payment processor?
3. Do you issue receipts to the donors so they can claim it on their taxes?
4. Do you declare those donations in your Taxes, not sure what the procedures are there for donations and
contributions but perhaps Merlin could help you in those matters?
5. Do you issue the donors with financial reports?

That will be all for now and hope you can give us some answers Rob.


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This post has been edited by fight4justice: May 2 2007, 02:07 AM

[fight4justice]

It is looking more and more like Rob has no control over how HIS forum is run.
And as a future lawyer he should know better.

All he seems to be interested in is raising donations, there seems to be a LOT of ‘you scratch my back & I’ll scratch yours” going on. i.e.

"You let me collect as much as I can and need for my purpose and I’ll let you all badmouth any PO’s, sites & their members, I’ll even let you recruit your mates from the other forums. I’ll turn a blind eye even if I am in that thread. Just cover up as much as you can regarding my Google Adsense and the sites that I am a member of and refer all the newcomers to, after all a lot of them are new clickers and seeing they believe we are the protector of the PTR Industry, they won’t question what we advertise or refer, they will think that seeing it’s us, the protector of the ptr industry, those scams sites must be good and legit."

HE, Rob! should know that the responsibility is HIS, alone, for the content, advertising, POSTINGS, being shown at GPTB.
NO amount of excuses will stand in front of the LAW, as a future lawyer, it may be a good experience.

Seems far fetched doesn’t it, but if you look through that forum you will see them arguing amongst themselves from way back about those google ads etc.. whether they should be there or not and how much money Rob is making from it all.

The crusaders argue that the donations are not for protection, why do they not have a list of sites that have donated after all they have a watch list and a boycott list, so why not a list of sites that support/supported them.

DOES HE have the records to present to the Taxation authorities, investigation authorities, or courts? Or the people that 'DONATED' the protection money?

They claim that it is not true, because BGPM DID donate!, and had a banner on the site up until just over halfway through the discussion. Sure BGPM DID donate but is there any post made by Bill at that forum?, NO!. Did he ever participate in any discussion, NO!. Sure he still had the banner on the site, but don’t all those that donate get to put the banner on their site?. Did you expect him to leave the banner there after what he saw going on at the forum, could it be that he didn’t know how the forum worked, the crusaders will probably disagree with me but wasn’t it them who accused Bill of not even visiting his own forum?, so I would say Bill is not a forum person or doesn’t have time that’s why he has an Admin to take care of the forum.

If HIS forum was legitimate, in my opinion and that of a few others, this is how it should have been running:

List of PTR sites that donated and how much.

Issue half yearly Reports on how the donations were spent to BETTER the PTR Industry.

Rules stated Clearly and Not be broken to suit the agenda.

ALL complaints must be BY a member of the ACCUSED site.

When someone lodges a complaint, Admin of the forum should contact the complainant by email to obtain further details.

Admin should then contact the PO by email, attaching the complaint & proof if any, together with username of the complainant.

PO of the site should then verify if it is from a member and check their records to ascertain whether there is cause for complaint and advise gptb admin of their findings with proof.

Gptb IF they were really protecting members & PO , then should mediate.

OTHERWISE GPTB IS JUST THAT - A FRAUD RING

If the problem cannot be rectified, then it stays as a complaint.

But I suppose if they did that, there would be no discussion and there would not be many complaints as most times it would be sorted out and as we know, no discussion = no traffic = no money And NO free lifestyle, studies by FALSE PRETENCES!

As for the discussions only the VALID complaints should be discussed and ONLY BY MEMBERS OF THE ACCUSED SITE
A N D! an unbiased moderator and the PO if they so choose.

By doing it that way, it would be fairer to all and you wouldn’t have complaints made by any Tom Dick or Harry because they’ve been influenced by what they’ve read in the discussion.



Now that I read this back, hahahaha, who needs GPTB, most sites have their own forums these days, so why don’t members take their grievances to a special members only section, allocated for that purpose in their forum and discuss it there and as moderators, that would be a hard one as you need someone who is not a member of that site, so maybe PO’s should form their own little group and moderate those discussions for each other, it would be a great experience for them as they would learn more about members and members about what POs expect of them.

JMO.


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